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Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian

From Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project
Subject Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian
Date 2020-04-11 20:20 +0200
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>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> writes:

    Michael> Multiple concerns have been raised and subsequently
    Michael> shrugged off. It's clear that no concern raised will make
    Michael> any difference so, yeah... go for it.

Actually, Enrico provided a summary describing how the concerns that
have been raised have been evaluated; see
20200410183809.nchdmlkk6zdj7l2j@enricozini.org .

That message demonstrates changes that have been made in response to
concerns raised.
The primary example is better ability to figure out from a salsa user
page who is a DD.

It also explains the analysis of the other issues that were raised.
Significant effort was put into evaluating the concerns raised by Enrico
and others.

I appreciate your frustration, but your message crossed a line that I
would ask you not to cross again.
I would urge you to find a way to disagree with decisions and express
frustration without undermining the work of others.

I hear your desire to design a solution and get a project wide consensus
on that solution.
Long term, perhaps we'll do that.
However, Debian empowers maintainers of groups within our project to
move forward; Debian values incremental development; and Debian values
letting people actively doing the work have significant latitude in how
that work is done.

I think the bar for halting people  going forward and making things
incrementally better is very high, and no, my take as someone who has
facilitated a lot of discussions is that none of the concerns raised met
that bar.

Things might be different if Enrico's decisions or work blocked other
people from going forward andexploring their own (potentially
longer-term) options.

That's not the case.

Much of the work Enrico proposes to do--for example adopting OIDC for
sso.debian.org and nm.debian.org--is common across all the solutions.

There have been a number of people who have looked at the work involved
in changing from one IDP (salsa) to another and concluded that it is
well within the sorts of changes we've made in Debian's sso architecture
over the years.
Independently of Enrico's proposal, and unremarked by everyone who is in
this discussion, debian.social has adopted the same strategy.
Even if nm.debian.org, contributors.debian.org and sso.debian.org were
not going to use salsa, we'd already have salsa being used as a sso
solution within Debian.





Sam Hartman
Debian Project Leader

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Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-06 18:00 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-06 18:20 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-06 20:50 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-06 21:20 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 10:40 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Geert Stappers <stappers@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 11:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 17:40 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 18:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 09:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-09 12:20 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 09:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 14:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 18:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 18:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 19:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 20:20 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 22:10 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 22:30 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-06 21:50 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 09:50 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 10:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian kuLa <kula@kulisz.net> - 2020-04-11 08:30 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 12:10 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-11 19:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 20:20 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 10:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 12:20 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 19:10 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2020-04-06 21:00 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 12:40 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 14:10 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 14:40 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 15:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 15:40 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 16:10 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 16:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:50 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-07 16:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 17:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 22:30 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 17:30 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 17:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 19:00 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 19:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 20:30 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 08:00 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 11:40 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 12:30 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 18:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-08 21:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 21:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 09:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-09 20:10 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 20:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-09 23:30 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-12 10:40 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-12 18:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2020-04-13 19:50 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 15:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 15:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 16:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 16:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 18:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 10:10 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:40 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 14:20 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:50 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 15:00 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 15:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-11 09:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 19:30 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 20:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 07:30 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-12 17:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-13 16:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Peter Palfrader <weasel@debian.org> - 2020-04-13 21:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-13 21:30 +0200

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