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Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian

From Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project
Subject Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian
Date 2020-04-07 10:40 +0200
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Hi Luca

On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 04:09:38PM +0000, Luca Filipozzi wrote:
> That said, please consider an approach that would see keycloak used as
> an idenitity broker, allowing external users to create accounts using
> social identities that are then promoted to full Debian identities (in
> LDAP) if they complete the onboarding process.

You are proposing a different idea, however you are not yet proposing a
project with actionable items on it.  If you think this is worthwhile,
please provide at least the following things:

- Workflows, esp non-DD to DD and vice versa.
- Self service, e.g. user signup, how do users add OIDC clients, how add
  groups/roles to OIDC info.
- Salsa, how should it work together.
- Additional features
- Who is willing to maintain this long-term
- Exit strategy

Anyway, I took a quick look into Keycloak.

What I find particular interesting is:
- they use UUID for user identification
- users and groups can have arbitrary attributes attached to them,
  however they are not self service
- it is a complete authorization solution

What isn't so great
- no particular good admin interface (there are 40+ settings for each
  OIDC client alone)
- it can have forms without a required field, which can't be saved at
  all.
- jboss.  Who considers itself capable of running public jboss
  applications safely and securely?

Showstopper
- no self service for group or even OIDC clients
- no U2F (okay, GitLab also still needs to make the step to webauthn)
- requires Java 8, which is not supported on Debian Buster

I was not able to see the killer feature of this setup or at least one
feature that we must have.

>                                                Could be used as
> replacement for debsso, could be used for wiki, could be used for
> debconf, could be used for salsa.

But this is not different to what we already proposed.  Also all the
other modifications we need to do to for example Salsa and NM are
already the same.

Regards,
Bastian

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Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-06 18:00 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-06 18:20 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-06 20:50 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-06 21:20 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 10:40 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Geert Stappers <stappers@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 11:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 17:40 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 18:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 09:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-09 12:20 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 09:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 14:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 18:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 18:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 19:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 20:20 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 22:10 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 22:30 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-06 21:50 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 09:50 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 10:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian kuLa <kula@kulisz.net> - 2020-04-11 08:30 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 12:10 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-11 19:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 20:20 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 10:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 12:20 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 19:10 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2020-04-06 21:00 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 12:40 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 14:10 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 14:40 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 15:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 15:40 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 16:10 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 16:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:50 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-07 16:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 17:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 22:30 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 17:30 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 17:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 19:00 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 19:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 20:30 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 08:00 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 11:40 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 12:30 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 18:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-08 21:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 21:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 09:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-09 20:10 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 20:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-09 23:30 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-12 10:40 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-12 18:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2020-04-13 19:50 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 15:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 15:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 16:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 16:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 18:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 10:10 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:40 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 14:20 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:50 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 15:00 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 15:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-11 09:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 19:30 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 20:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 07:30 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-12 17:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-13 16:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Peter Palfrader <weasel@debian.org> - 2020-04-13 21:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-13 21:30 +0200

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