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Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian

From Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project
Subject Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian
Date 2020-04-06 21:20 +0200
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On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:38:59PM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 04:09:38PM +0000, Luca Filipozzi wrote:
> 
> > That said, please consider an approach that would see keycloak used as
> > an idenitity broker, allowing external users to create accounts using
> > social identities that are then promoted to full Debian identities (in
> > LDAP) if they complete the onboarding process. Could be used as
> > replacement for debsso, could be used for wiki, could be used for
> > debconf, could be used for salsa.
> 
> I don't know keycloak: what are the maintenance costs, and what would be
> the benefits over time?
> 
> Right now, with the proposal waldi just posted, we have very little to
> no added maintenance cost, possibly negative maintenance cost once we
> take sso.debian.org and the current handcrafted salsa subscription thing
> offline. The amount of code deployed compared to the status quo would go
> *down*. The user interface and user experience for the lot would be good
> and well known. Gitlab's codebase, while large and complex, is widely
> deployed, and we already have know-how about it in Debian.

Having just joined this conversation, the above is an argument that is
difficult to refute: one can always argue that 'one in the hand is
better than one in the bush'.

> I would not want to see a workable proposal that we could implement over
> the next two weeks and that we have the resources to maintain long-term,
> blocked by something that risks getting us stuck with sso.d.o for
> another bunch of years until we get it right, and possibly ending up
> being maintained long term by a team with a dwindling bandwidth and bus
> factor.

Again, I'm just joining this conversation now.

Keycloak is a RedHat-sponsored Java-based open-source project that
provides a standards-based (SAML and OpenID) Identity Provider (IdP). It
can also operate as an Identity Brokder (IdB).

As an IdP, it can use an internal data store for users (database) or an
external one (LDAP). It has a variety of workflows for user onboarding,
user managed access, etc.

As an IdB, it can be configured to allow 'social-to-identity' workflows
so that users may begin their identity experience using their existing
social identies (Gmail, Twitter, etc.). This is in addition to the users
from the above IdP for Debian Developers.

Service operators (websites, etc.) could then elect to accept all users
or to require a role assignment / group membership to grant access to
the service.

Finally, should a user have started with a social identity but have
successfully completed the Applicant process, then there are workflows
that would allow users to merge their identities.

My DSA colleagues asked for demo and I'm building that up, currently. I
view this as a positive but not definitive step in the maintenance
questions.

I appreciate that the idea of using keycloak as an IdB requires everyone
to shift perspective.

Let me know if you have appetite (or not*) to discuss the above.

Thanks,

Luca

* If not, then I'll stop advocating for this approach. There's the
  potential for a heated conversation, here, and I'm not up for that.

-- 
Luca Filipozzi

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Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-06 18:00 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-06 18:20 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-06 20:50 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-06 21:20 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 10:40 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Geert Stappers <stappers@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 11:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 17:40 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 18:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 09:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-09 12:20 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 09:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 14:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 18:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 18:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 19:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 20:20 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 22:10 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 22:30 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-06 21:50 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 09:50 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 10:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian kuLa <kula@kulisz.net> - 2020-04-11 08:30 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 12:10 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-11 19:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 20:20 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 10:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 12:20 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 19:10 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2020-04-06 21:00 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 12:40 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 14:10 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 14:40 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 15:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 15:40 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 16:10 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 16:30 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:50 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Michael Lustfield <michael@lustfield.net> - 2020-04-07 16:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 17:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 17:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 22:30 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 17:30 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 17:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 19:00 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Xavier <yadd@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-07 19:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-07 20:30 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 08:00 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 11:40 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 12:30 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 18:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-08 21:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 21:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 09:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-09 20:10 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 20:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-09 23:30 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-12 10:40 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-12 18:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2020-04-13 18:50 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Pirate Praveen <praveen@onenetbeyond.org> - 2020-04-13 19:50 +0200
  Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 15:00 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:30 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 15:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 16:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 16:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 18:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-09 10:10 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Ole Streicher <olebole@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:40 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 14:20 +0200
    Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Bastian Blank <waldi@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:40 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Shengjing Zhu <zhsj@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 14:50 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2020-04-08 15:00 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-08 15:20 +0200
      Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org> - 2020-04-10 21:50 +0200
        Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-11 09:30 +0200
          Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Julien Cristau <jcristau@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 19:30 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-11 20:10 +0200
            Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-04-12 07:30 +0200
              Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2020-04-12 17:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-13 16:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Peter Palfrader <weasel@debian.org> - 2020-04-13 21:00 +0200
                Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2020-04-13 21:30 +0200

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