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Re: Buster without systemd?

From	Klaus Singvogel <deb-user-ml@singvogel.net>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Buster without systemd?
Date	2020-03-23 20:50 +0100
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Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> I know it's a sensitive subject, and I really don't want to upset the list,
> there's been enough of that already, but why are some people so afraid of
> systemd?

My reasons:

Can't debug the start / stop of daemons as good as before. "(ba)sh -x" no
more working.

Not able to move easily a more complex SysV init script to systemd. Lost
functionality by my home-made packages.

Logging (journald) disables searching in /var/log: "grep -r" not really
working there.

My computer "hickups" for 20 seconds at boot. With systemd I don't have
the slighest idea which process delays, as several processes start after
the delay at once. I had the feeling with Init scripts it was more obvious
to see which "startup file" hangs.

As others say: systemd is too fat and has too much functionality. It
throws too fast the experienced software overboard, replacing it by its
own version.

Its flooding syslog/messages with unnecessary information (type: INFO).
But some important messages are not found in syslog nor messages.

No easy way to find out: if and what fails. Example: After months I found
out that mlocate doesn't update it's database anymore: previously updates
were done by cron, but the distri moved to systemd's way (timer) and by
default the updatedb was disabled.

Default values without files: configuration files are not required, but
then some default values are used. You have to know which file by which
filename has to be created and how the variables/values are named. Not to
mention the lack of documentation for some configuration files.

Best regards,
	Klaus.
-- 
Klaus Singvogel
GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D  1994-06-27

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Buster without systemd? Marc Shapiro <marcnshap@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 02:40 +0100
  Re: Buster without systemd? The Wanderer <wanderer@fastmail.fm> - 2020-03-23 03:20 +0100
    Re: Buster without systemd? Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2020-03-23 07:10 +0100
    Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-23 09:30 +0100
  Re: Buster without systemd? Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2020-03-23 08:30 +0100
    Re: Buster without systemd? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2020-03-23 09:10 +0100
      Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-23 09:40 +0100
      Re: Buster without systemd? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-23 09:50 +0100
        Re: Buster without systemd? Renato Gallo <renato@aster-lab.com> - 2020-03-23 10:20 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2020-03-23 11:00 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? Dave Sherohman <dave@sherohman.org> - 2020-03-24 14:50 +0100
            Re: Buster without systemd? Charles Curley <charlescurley@charlescurley.com> - 2020-03-24 18:10 +0100
              Re: Buster without systemd? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-25 10:40 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-25 11:10 +0100
      Re: Buster without systemd? Toni Mas <antomassol@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 00:20 +0100
  Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-23 09:30 +0100
  Re: Buster without systemd? Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2020-03-23 14:00 +0100
    Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-23 15:30 +0100
    Re: Buster without systemd? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 15:50 +0100
      Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-23 16:10 +0100
      Re: Buster without systemd? Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-03-23 16:40 +0100
        Re: Buster without systemd? Tony van der Hoff <lists@vanderhoff.org> - 2020-03-23 17:50 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-23 18:10 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-03-23 18:30 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-03-23 18:30 +0100
            Re: Buster without systemd? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 12:40 +0100
              Re: Buster without systemd? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-03-24 14:10 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-03-23 18:40 +0100
            Re: Buster without systemd? Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-03-23 20:40 +0100
              Re: Buster without systemd? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-23 21:30 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-03-23 22:00 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-24 00:10 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 11:30 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-24 12:10 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2020-03-24 12:30 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 15:20 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 16:10 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 21:10 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-24 15:00 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-24 18:20 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? deloptes <deloptes@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 22:20 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-24 10:00 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-24 11:00 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-24 11:40 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 12:10 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-24 12:30 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 12:40 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 14:10 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2020-03-24 18:00 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? rhkramer@gmail.com - 2020-03-24 14:20 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-24 14:40 +0100
                Re: Buster without systemd? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-24 15:40 +0100
              Re: Buster without systemd? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-24 03:30 +0100
            Re: Buster without systemd? Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 16:40 +0100
              Re: Buster without systemd? Sven Joachim <svenjoac@gmx.de> - 2020-03-24 19:30 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-03-23 18:40 +0100
            Re: Buster without systemd? Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2020-03-23 19:40 +0100
            Re: Buster without systemd? <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2020-03-24 10:00 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2020-03-23 20:00 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? Klaus Singvogel <deb-user-ml@singvogel.net> - 2020-03-23 20:50 +0100
            Re: Buster without systemd? David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2020-03-24 04:10 +0100
              Re: Buster without systemd? Klaus Singvogel <klaus@singvogel.net> - 2020-03-24 17:40 +0100
        Re: Buster without systemd? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 00:40 +0100
          Re: Buster without systemd? Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-03-24 01:30 +0100
            Re: Buster without systemd? Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2020-03-24 16:30 +0100

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