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Re: About stack access profundity

From	Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid>
Subject	Re: About stack access profundity
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Date	2013-01-29 03:25 -0600

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Anton Ertl <anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at> wrote:
> Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> writes:
>>Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> wrote:
>>In addition, there is no reason that a decent optimizer will produce
>>much worse code for @ than for PICK .
> 
> There's a good reason why decent compilers will produce worse code for
> @ than for PICK.  Whether the worseness is "much" or not can be
> debated forever without resolution, so let's not go there.

OK, so let's not mention it then, whatever it may be.

> We have a Forth language feature that makes it relatively easy for
> compilers to produce as fast native code as when using PICK: locals.
> I am not sure if there are Forth compilers yet that are up to that.
> There are quite a number of locals-haters around here, some arguing
> that locals are foreign (as in "from another programming language"),
> some that they make it possible to get away with badly factored code.
> 
> For this application, the badly-factored code argument may be
> applicable, but have we seen better-factored code?  If we have
> better-factored code that produces slower native code, we could think
> about whether some new language feature might reconcile good factoring
> with good native code.

I suspect that it's not to do with language features but code
generators.

Andrew.

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About stack access profundity Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2013-01-27 12:11 -0800
  Re: About stack access profundity humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2013-01-28 00:59 -0800
    Re: About stack access profundity Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2013-01-28 07:17 -0800
  Re: About stack access profundity Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-28 03:10 -0600
    Re: About stack access profundity Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2013-01-28 07:23 -0800
      Re: About stack access profundity Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-28 10:46 -0600
        Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-29 08:20 +0000
          Re: About stack access profundity Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-29 03:25 -0600
            Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-29 09:47 +0000
              Re: About stack access profundity Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-29 04:08 -0600
                Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-29 15:21 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-29 09:57 -0600
                Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-29 17:01 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-29 12:22 -0600
                Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-30 17:40 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2013-01-30 11:49 -0800
                Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-02-04 16:39 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-30 16:32 -0600
                Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-31 16:02 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-01-29 17:06 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-29 17:58 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-01-29 12:29 -0600
                Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-30 17:22 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-29 20:17 +0100
                Re: About stack access profundity mhx@iae.nl (Marcel Hendrix) - 2013-01-29 21:44 +0200
                Re: About stack access profundity Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-29 22:14 +0100
                Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-30 16:29 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2013-01-30 09:58 -0800
                Re: About stack access profundity stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-01-31 12:32 +0000
                Re: About stack access profundity Bernd Paysan <bernd.paysan@gmx.de> - 2013-01-31 15:37 +0100
                Re: About stack access profundity Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-01-29 23:12 -0800
          Re: About stack access profundity stephenXXX@mpeforth.com (Stephen Pelc) - 2013-01-29 10:08 +0000
            Re: About stack access profundity Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2013-01-29 07:10 -0800
            Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-29 15:17 +0000
      Re: About stack access profundity Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-01-29 00:57 -0800
  Re: About stack access profundity Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-01-28 01:56 -0800
  Re: About stack access profundity anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2013-01-29 15:30 +0000
    Re: About stack access profundity Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2013-01-29 09:06 -0800
  Re: About stack access profundity Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2013-02-03 06:22 -0800
    Re: About stack access profundity Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-02-03 07:25 -0800
      Re: About stack access profundity Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2013-02-03 15:51 -0800
        Re: About stack access profundity Coos Haak <chforth@hccnet.nl> - 2013-02-04 01:12 +0100
    Re: About stack access profundity Mark Wills <forthfreak@gmail.com> - 2013-02-03 23:10 -0800
      Re: About stack access profundity Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2013-02-04 03:26 -0600
  Re: About stack access profundity humptydumpty <ouatubi@gmail.com> - 2013-02-03 11:26 -0800
    Re: About stack access profundity Pablo Hugo Reda <pabloreda@gmail.com> - 2013-02-03 15:49 -0800

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