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Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome

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Quoting Tom Browder (2020-02-21 13:17:52)
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 06:00 Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> wrote:
> 
> > Hi tom,
> >
> ...
> 
> > > Does anyone have strong reasons to use one over another, or any other
> >
> > choice?
> >
> ...
> 
> > Depends on the purpose of the name(s).
> 
> ...
> 
> Thanks, Jonas, that makes good sense. Based on that I should use 
> "mail" and maybe "mail2" for my backup mail server.

Only if by "backup" you mean mirror of mail services generally - i.e. 
also for your users to connect to for fetching their mail when the 
primary server is down.

Otherwise, if you mean MX backup then I would use "mx2" for the backup 
host (and I would then consider naming the primary host _both_ "mail" 
and "mx1" so that I can use "mx1" and "mx2" for MX records.


> One of the reasons I asked was I know Gmail used to use something like 
> " smtp.gmail.com" for its smtp server and thought that might be 
> popular among sysadmins with such servers.

Lots of names are popular for various reasons.

Google has numerous hosts serving specifc services, likely with failover 
so that one hostname is even used for multiple hosts behind the scenes.

So if your setup is complex, then name each service, and number it too.

...but if you want simplicity, then beware that for each hostname you 
may (now or later) need to fumble with TLS certificates and/or DNSSEC 
signing keys.

...and beware that your users are not helped by hosts named by services 
but will likely find it geeky that they need to use "smpt2" to send and 
"pop3" to receive (unless of course they are all geeks, where they might 
prefer hosts named by characters in Tolkien books or Star Wars).


As Michael also mentioned, some mail clients blindly assume the world 
uses specific names for user-facing incoming and outgoing services, and 
probe those names before asking the user.  Personally I have found it 
least confusing for my users to tell them that "the server is 
mail-dot-our-domain for all user-facing services - both incoming and 
outgoing", and I then setup hints for those mail clients that wants to 
auto-configure.

 - Jonas

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Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 12:20 +0100
  Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2020-02-21 12:40 +0100
    Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 13:10 +0100
      Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-02-21 13:30 +0100
        Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 13:50 +0100
          Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2020-02-21 14:50 +0100
    Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-02-21 15:40 +0100
      Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 15:50 +0100
        Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Henning Follmann <hfollmann@itcfollmann.com> - 2020-02-21 18:10 +0100
          Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 23:40 +0100
  Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2020-02-21 13:10 +0100
    Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 13:20 +0100
      Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2020-02-21 13:50 +0100
  Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Michael Howard <mike@dewberryfields.co.uk> - 2020-02-21 13:20 +0100
    Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 13:30 +0100
  Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-02-21 16:40 +0100
    Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 18:30 +0100
      Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-02-21 19:10 +0100
        Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 19:50 +0100
          Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 20:30 +0100
          Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2020-02-21 20:30 +0100
  Re: Choice of "mailname" for mail server: suggestions welcome Tom Browder <tom.browder@gmail.com> - 2020-02-21 23:50 +0100

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