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Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade

From Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade
Date 2019-08-16 16:30 +0200
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On Fri 16 Aug 2019 at 08:39:43 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 09:53:20AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:36:57PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Thu 15 Aug 2019 at 22:15:59 +0100, Tixy wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Thu, 2019-08-15 at 19:41 +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > > The fact remains that dbus is not a DE only package. How did anyone
> > > > > get the idea it was?
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps because D-Bus stands for Desktop Bus and according to Wikipedia
> > > > [1]
> > > > 
> > > >    D-Bus was developed as part of the freedesktop.org project [...] to
> > > >    standardize services provided by Linux desktop environments such as
> > > >    GNOME and KDE.
> > > > 
> > > > It's seems quite reasonable to me for people to jump to the conclusion
> > > > that it's not likely relevant for servers.
> > > > 
> > > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Bus
> > > 
> > > Jumping to conclusions is the ideal way of neglecting facts and promoting
> > > fallacious assertions. I have given two examples that challenge
> > > 
> > >   dbus "...is redundant for typical server software"
> > 
> > The first one being "apt cache rdepends"? You can do better than this.
> > 
> > The second one being CUPS? dbus is not required for printing itself.
> 
> Also, most servers don't deal with ink-and-paper printing.  At all.

I don't quite follow that, but is it of great importance? Some do, and
then dbus will be involved in advertising print queues to clients.

> Brian asked how people would conclude things about D-Bus, and Tixy gave
> a completely legitimate answer.  It was an answer I had been considering
> writing myself, but I was lazy.
> 
> The name is *literally* an abbreviation for Desktop Bus, and you (Brian)
> claim you don't understand why people think it's only for desktop systems?
> Come on.

I own up to reading solely the primary source at freedesktop. I can find
no reference there to dbus being required only when (to quote John Doe)

 > a DE (Gnome,Mate, ...) is present.

Whatever the genesis of the application's name and function, it has
evidently moved on in the last 10+ years. firewalld (which looks like a
good candidate for use on a server) also depends on dbus.

-- 
Brian.

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dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-08-13 20:10 +0200
  Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-13 21:30 +0200
    Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-08-14 07:50 +0200
      Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-14 08:50 +0200
        Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Sven Hartge <sven@svenhartge.de> - 2019-08-14 09:00 +0200
          Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-14 09:30 +0200
            Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-08-14 10:30 +0200
      Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-15 19:00 +0200
        Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-15 19:20 +0200
          Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-15 20:50 +0200
            Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-15 21:10 +0200
              Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-15 21:50 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-16 09:00 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-16 12:20 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-16 20:20 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-16 21:40 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-17 00:30 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-17 12:00 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-17 13:20 +0200
            Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2019-08-15 23:20 +0200
              Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-15 23:40 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-16 09:00 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-08-16 14:50 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-16 16:30 +0200
          Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-15 21:00 +0200
        Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-08-16 11:10 +0200
          Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-16 12:10 +0200
            Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-16 12:30 +0200
              Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-16 12:50 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-16 13:00 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-16 13:10 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-16 13:20 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-16 13:30 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-16 13:50 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-16 14:00 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-16 13:00 +0200
          Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-08-16 12:30 +0200
  Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-17 20:20 +0200
    Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-08-18 12:30 +0200
      Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-08-18 15:20 +0200
        Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-18 17:00 +0200
          Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-08-19 09:30 +0200
            Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-19 09:40 +0200
              Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-08-19 10:00 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-19 10:50 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> - 2019-08-19 21:10 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-19 21:20 +0200
              Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Bastien Durel <bastien@durel.org> - 2019-08-19 10:50 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-19 11:00 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Bastien Durel <bastien@durel.org> - 2019-08-19 12:00 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-08-19 12:10 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-08-19 16:20 +0200
                Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade Bastien Durel <bastien@durel.org> - 2019-08-19 18:20 +0200
        Re: dbus-deamon avoiding reboot after upgrade john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2019-08-18 17:00 +0200

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