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On 23.07.19 08:32, Aron Xu wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:16 AM Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> wrote:
>>
>> Mo Zhou:
>>>> [..]
>>>>
>>>> Oh, Gnome.
>>>
>>> It's a pity that the "software stores" started to think they know
>>> "what the user want" [..]
>>
>> Just use XFCE. I ditched GNOME years ago and am much happier for it.
>>
>> The GNOME design philosophy is clearly chasing after Apple and other mass-market strategies. Let me throw a spanner in the works:
>>
> 
> Well I'm not endorising Apple, but they've been quite low latency
> everywhere... The difference could be manpower, could be that they
> control all the closed hardware and software ecosystem, but we can do
> a lot better than what we have now.

Apple has a totally different design: the API by design is "not stable". 
They requires constant upgrades, so always using latest technologies.

It is an interesting idea, but I doubt we can imitate it. BSD 
distribution with all integrated packages and kernel could go in such 
direction (but it doesn't scale). Also with One Git To Rule All and team 
packages, Debian cannot commit to use latest technologies. And BTW this 
is the contrary message of original email: keep what it is working.

Note: I think X11 on apple hardware/software is slow.

> 
> And Marc, please don't just get frustrated, still you can choose from
> some other desktop environments like XFCE and KDE, maybe even more
> lightweighted ones.

I totally agree. Luckily Debian is a lot used on servers, so we still 
keep a sane minimal environment. And most of alternative of Gnome are 
not very different (in capabilities) to Gnome of some years ago.

Ubuntu and Gnome are steps to empower users, but they should not be the 
target for a empowered user.

ciao
	cate

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farewell Marc Munro <marc@bloodnok.com> - 2019-07-23 03:40 +0200
  Re: farewell Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2019-07-23 05:00 +0200
    Re: farewell Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2019-07-23 05:20 +0200
      Re: farewell Aron Xu <aron@debian.org> - 2019-07-23 08:40 +0200
        Re: farewell Giacomo Catenazzi <cate@debian.org> - 2019-07-23 09:10 +0200
    Re: farewell Marc Munro <marc@bloodnok.com> - 2019-07-23 20:00 +0200
  Re: farewell Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-23 09:30 +0200
    Re: farewell Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2019-07-24 11:20 +0200
      Re: farewell Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-07-24 13:50 +0200
  Re: farewell Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2019-07-23 10:50 +0200
  Re: farewell Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2019-07-23 15:40 +0200
    Re: farewell Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-07-23 19:40 +0200

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