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Re: Community Team - where we want to go

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On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 04:04:49AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:

> > Once you do that I'll be happy to work with you just as I would any
> > other group approaching changing/renewing/creating a delegation.
[...]
> But then I see no reason at all why they need to do that now. Even though
> they have already stated so, and the mail you reply to went as far as
> mentioning a timetable of around 12 months, which TBH I pretty much
> interpreted as a tactful way to say “once the current DPL term is over”.

If one wants a delegation from a DPL, I'd expect them to work *with* the
DPL, as the DPL is the person responsible for delegations.

If a team has an issue with a DPL, I expect them to acknowledge the
issue, state their long term plans and why they wouldn't work with the
current DPL, state what they'd like to do in an interim situation,
propose a GR.

Posting draft team missions where one has to read between the lines
about possible institutional conflicts and other unsaid issues, is
emphatically /NOT/ a way to build trust within the project.

I think the responsibility of interpreting the CoC should go to people
who we can trust not to wield it like a club, who are clearly named, and
so on. A delegation provides this.

Currently, as I understand it, interpretation of the CoC is the
responsibility of the DPL, overridable by GR. Needing to read between
the lines of a proposal like this, instantly makes me think of attempts
to grab that power away from the DPL. Of trying to force a self-written
delegation on the first DPL who gets distracted for a moment. This is
most emphatically /NOT/ a way to build trust within the project.

I have seen, in other communities, successful power grabbing attempts
done by emptional blackmail, refusals to take no for an answer, and
similar kinds of social pressure. I don't at all mean to imply that it
is what is happening here, and I trust at least some of the member of
the (AH|Community) team enough to believe it is actually not the case.

Still, I most emphatically do not want to have to read things between
the lines in a discussion like this one. Not when power is involved. Not
when trust is involved.


Enrico

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GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>

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Community Team - where we want to go Steve McIntyre <93sam@debian.org> - 2019-10-09 23:30 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Norbert Preining <norbert@preining.info> - 2019-10-10 02:50 +0200
    Re: Community Team - where we want to go Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-10-10 08:00 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-10-10 08:30 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Mathias Behrle <mathiasb@m9s.biz> - 2019-10-10 10:10 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-10-10 11:20 +0200
    Re: Community Team - where we want to go Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-10-10 13:50 +0200
      Re: Community Team - where we want to go Steffen Möller <steffen_moeller@gmx.de> - 2019-10-10 23:20 +0200
        Re: Community Team - where we want to go Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2019-10-12 01:50 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2019-10-10 14:20 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Karsten Merker <merker@debian.org> - 2019-10-10 16:20 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Lucas Nussbaum <lucas@debian.org> - 2019-10-10 17:10 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Martina Ferrari <tincho@debian.org> - 2019-10-11 06:10 +0200
    Re: Community Team - where we want to go Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-10-11 13:30 +0200
      Re: Community Team - where we want to go Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2019-10-12 04:10 +0200
        Re: Community Team - where we want to go Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-10-14 13:50 +0200
          Re: Community Team - where we want to go Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2019-10-14 15:30 +0200
          Re: Community Team - where we want to go Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-10-14 15:30 +0200
    Re: Community Team - where we want to go Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2019-10-11 23:30 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-10-21 13:40 +0200
    Re: Community Team - where we want to go Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2019-10-21 14:00 +0200
      Re: Community Team - where we want to go Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-10-21 15:40 +0200
        Re: Community Team - where we want to go Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2019-10-21 16:10 +0200
          Re: Community Team - where we want to go Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-10-21 16:30 +0200
    Re: Community Team - where we want to go Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-10-23 13:00 +0200
  Re: Community Team - where we want to go Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2019-11-08 20:30 +0100
    Re: Community Team - where we want to go Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2019-11-14 23:10 +0100
      Re: Community Team - where we want to go Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-11-15 02:30 +0100
    Re: Community Team - where we want to go Martina Ferrari <tincho@debian.org> - 2019-11-14 00:00 +0100

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