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Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task

From John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project, linux.debian.ports.68k
Subject Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task
Date 2019-09-29 12:30 +0200
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On 9/29/19 12:07 PM, Hector Oron wrote:
>> So, would -project be willing to support our cause through Debian funds?
> 
> I have been looking at
> https://wiki.debian.org/ArchiveQualification/m68k, I was expecting
> some answers to the questions proposed at
> https://ftp-master.debian.org/archive-criteria.html, it looks to me
> that ArchiveQualification/m68k wiki page needs updating.
> 
> Have you also checked with m68k porters listed in that page? (I assume
> most of them are retired from m68k work)

I communicated the issue to multiple mailing lists, so I assume the active
m68k people have received my mail. But I haven't heard back from them.

> Is there any real m68k hardware available nowadays or is it all
> virtual&emulated?

Yes, there are the Apollo accelerators for one:

> https://www.apollo-accelerators.com/

And there are embedded open source Coldfire boards being developed:

> http://sysam.it/cff_amcore.html
> http://sysam.it/cff_stmark2.html

What are the use cases for the port?

The m68k CPU has still a very large hobbyist scene as it's a CPU with an easy
to learn assembler. There are many hobbyist forums like a1k.org, amiga.org,
eab.abime.net, www.atari-forum.com and so on with people working on open
hard- and software projects around the m68k CPU.

As Linus stated in his mail, the Amiga never dies:

> https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/9/24/993

But I think the list on the page archive criteria is a bit dishonest as
well when it asks "Are machines available to buy for the general public?"
while I don't think an IBM Z mainframe is available to buy for the general
public.

I don't think anyone outside banks, goverments and very large companies
can buy an IBM Z mainframe, yet Debian provides an official port for these.

Adrian

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Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-28 11:50 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Aurelien Jarno <aurel32@debian.org> - 2019-09-28 12:00 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2019-09-28 12:50 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2019-09-28 15:30 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2019-09-28 16:20 +0200
      Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2019-09-28 21:10 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2019-09-29 11:40 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-29 12:10 +0200
          Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Hector Oron <zumbi@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 12:20 +0200
            Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-29 12:30 +0200
              Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 23:20 +0200
            Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 16:20 +0200
              Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2019-09-29 17:10 +0200
                Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2019-09-29 19:10 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2019-09-29 01:00 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2019-09-28 16:00 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-28 16:20 +0200
      Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2019-09-28 18:20 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-28 19:00 +0200
          Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2019-09-28 19:20 +0200
            Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-28 19:40 +0200
              Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2019-09-28 20:00 +0200
                Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-28 20:10 +0200
              Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 02:50 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 03:20 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-29 11:20 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Hector Oron <zumbi@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 12:10 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-29 12:30 +0200
      Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Hector Oron <zumbi@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 12:50 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-29 13:20 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> - 2019-09-29 13:30 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task, request  has seen Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2019-09-29 13:30 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au> - 2019-09-30 01:40 +0200
      Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 13:20 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-29 14:00 +0200
          Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 15:30 +0200
          Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Aron Xu <aron@debian.org> - 2019-09-29 16:00 +0200
            Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Brock Wittrock <brockwittrock@gmail.com> - 2019-09-29 16:30 +0200
              Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Brock Wittrock <brockwittrock@gmail.com> - 2019-09-29 16:40 +0200
              Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-09-29 19:20 +0200
                Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-09-30 05:00 +0200
                Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2019-09-30 10:20 +0200
                Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-10-03 16:10 +0200
                Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-09-30 12:50 +0200
                Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-10-03 16:00 +0200
      Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de> - 2019-09-29 14:50 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Richard Z <rz@linux-m68k.org> - 2019-09-29 23:50 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-10-03 16:10 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2019-09-30 06:30 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Steffen Möller <steffen_moeller@gmx.de> - 2019-09-30 10:20 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-09-30 12:50 +0200
      Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-09-30 17:10 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-10-03 16:10 +0200
      Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2019-10-03 21:10 +0200
        Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-10-04 19:00 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2019-10-01 17:00 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task cascardo@debian.org - 2019-10-01 17:30 +0200
    Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-10-01 19:40 +0200
  Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task John Paul Adrian Glaubitz <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de> - 2019-12-01 11:30 +0100

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