Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)

From	Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.devel
Subject	Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)
Date	2019-05-29 09:00 +0200
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On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 08:43:55AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> IMHO this touches another burning topic:  Its not that we do not want to
> provide some PPA equivalent - its just that we do not realise it.  I do
> not remember how many years ago we talked about bikesheds (and
> obviously we even found an extremely speaking name). 
> 
> I do not want to trigger another PPA-bikeshed thread but may be some
> analysis why we need to take so much time to realise good ideas (i.e.
> I consider a Debian release another very good idea where we take too
> long) and what we can possibly do to shorten that time span.
One of the popular answers to this and some other problems is "nobody sat
down and wrote the code". Not sure what can we do about this class of
reasons.

-- 
WBR, wRAR

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Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Sam Hartman <leader@debian.org> - 2019-05-25 19:30 +0200
  Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-05-26 11:40 +0200
    Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-26 12:10 +0200
      Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-05-26 19:30 +0200
        Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments  by 2019-06-16 Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2019-05-27 06:30 +0200
          Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-27 08:50 +0200
            Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments  by 2019-06-16 Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2019-05-29 08:00 +0200
          Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments  by 2019-06-16 Alex Mestiashvili <amestia@rsh2.donotuse.de> - 2019-05-27 14:00 +0200
    Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments  by 2019-06-16 Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2019-05-26 21:40 +0200
      Difficult Packaging Practices Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-05-26 23:10 +0200
        Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Jérémy Lal <kapouer@melix.org> - 2019-05-27 00:00 +0200
        Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 01:30 +0200
          Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 13:40 +0200
        Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 08:20 +0200
          Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 09:00 +0200
            Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-05-28 03:10 +0200
              Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-05-28 07:00 +0200
                Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-05-28 08:50 +0200
                RE:Difficult Packaging Practices PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2019-05-28 09:10 +0200
                Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2019-05-28 09:40 +0200
                Re: Difficult Packaging Practices (OT) Thomas Dettbarn <dettus@dettus.net> - 2019-05-28 09:50 +0200
                Re: Difficult Packaging Practices (OT) Alex Mestiashvili <amestia@rsh2.donotuse.de> - 2019-05-28 10:20 +0200
                RE:Difficult Packaging Practices (OT) PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel <frederic-emmanuel.picca@synchrotron-soleil.fr> - 2019-05-28 10:50 +0200
                Simplified Debianization Process (was: Re: Difficult Packaging  Practices (OT) Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2019-05-28 11:10 +0200
          Re: Difficult Packaging Practices Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 14:00 +0200
            Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult  Packaging Practices) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2019-05-29 08:50 +0200
              Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult  Packaging Practices) Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2019-05-29 09:00 +0200
                Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult  Packaging Practices) Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2019-05-29 10:40 +0200
                Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult  Packaging Practices) Ansgar <ansgar@debian.org> - 2019-05-29 10:50 +0200
                Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult  Packaging Practices) Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2019-05-29 11:10 +0200
                paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise  good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2019-05-30 23:40 +0200
                Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to  realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)) Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-06-03 03:30 +0200
                Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to  realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)) Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2019-06-03 11:50 +0200
                Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to  realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices)) Joël Krähemann <jkraehemann@gmail.com> - 2019-06-06 20:50 +0200
                Re: paying people for Debian work (Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-06-03 17:00 +0200
                Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult  Packaging Practices) Helmut Grohne <helmut@subdivi.de> - 2019-05-31 07:20 +0200
                Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult Packaging Practices) Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-31 08:30 +0200
                Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas (Was: Difficult  Packaging Practices) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2019-05-31 17:40 +0200
                Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas Mo Zhou <lumin@debian.org> - 2019-05-29 11:40 +0200
                Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-05-29 13:50 +0200
                Re: Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2019-05-31 22:40 +0200
                Re: Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2019-05-31 23:10 +0200
                Re: Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money Luca Filipozzi <lfilipoz@debian.org> - 2019-06-01 01:00 +0200
                Re: Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2019-06-01 01:00 +0200
                Re: Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> - 2019-06-01 23:00 +0200
                Re: Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-06-02 00:20 +0200
                Re: Realizing Good Ideas with Debian Money Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk> - 2019-06-02 15:50 +0200
                Re: Why do we take so long to realise good ideas Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2019-05-30 03:40 +0200
      Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Philip Hands <phil@hands.com> - 2019-05-26 23:20 +0200
        Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments  by 2019-06-16 Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2019-05-30 20:50 +0200
      Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 14:00 +0200
      Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments  by 2019-06-16 Scott Leggett <scott@sl.id.au> - 2019-05-27 14:50 +0200
      Re: Consensus Call: Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 20:00 +0200
  Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-05-27 07:10 +0200
    Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 14:00 +0200
      Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2019-05-27 16:40 +0200
  Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-05-28 17:00 +0200
    Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments by 2019-06-16 Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-05-28 17:10 +0200
  Re: Consensus Call:  Do We Want to Require or Recommend DH; comments  by 2019-06-16 Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2019-06-17 00:10 +0200
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