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On 09/01/19 17:03, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Please search your communications archives.

I notice Norbert is somebody who goes beyond the core responsibilities
of maintaining packages, thinks about challenging social issues that
affect our community and looks for ways to communicate about them. 
Mistakes he may have made in written English pale in comparison to the
mistakes I've personally made in German or any other language that I
have dared to use in public but that isn't really relevant to somebody's
competence as a developer anyway.  Like all of us, he appears to have a
genuine concern for users of his work, even when faced with challenges. 
I don't believe I have ever met him personally at an event but I hope I
will some day.

> I will summarise and collate these reports.

I'd like to thank Ian for volunteering and Wookey for enhancing[1] the
concept.  Spending some time documenting and talking up the
contributions that other people make to this project could help provide
a way to address current and future challenges.

Maybe contributors.debian.org could be enhanced to allow people to write
ad-hoc reports about things they appreciate in the work of other
developers?  This would help build a nice record of contributions, a big
improvement over the practice of leaving "unavoidable traces in public
databases" as one developer recently put it.


On 09/01/19 17:43, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Thomas Lange - 09.01.19, 18:17:
>>> This reminded me about
>>> https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00025.html
>> For easier understanding, this is the post from Daniel with subject:
>>
>> "€ 500 cash bounty for information / Debian privacy breaches"
> Thanks for looking it up.
>
> I do not consider either of those helpful or ethically sound.
>
> For me it has something about denouncing people aka "please tell us how 
> bad this person has been".


There is a massive difference between the two cases:

This thread concerned an ordinary member of the organization, who had
not even been on the mailing list for almost a week and it was very
broad in it's aims.

In my post, about conduct of the DPL/DAM, I was holding power to account
and legitimately asking about breaches of privacy and also getting to
the source of gossip.  It was only posted after I already had good
reason to make the inquiry, it wasn't just some dragnet exercise to see
if anything was out there.  The intention was not to harm anybody,
rather, to prevent further harm.  It also helped in another way: nobody
has ever sent  evidence of DAM or AH leaking outside the project, so we
found out they were not the source.  It raises an interesting question
though: even though there was no evidence of DAM leaking outside the
organization, should they be more robust against political interference
in their processes?  Privately, they wrote that another person had "seen
a draft of the first mail we sent" and it appears that person was
responsible for the privacy breaches.

Some people noticed that Bits[2] from the DPL usually ends with a call
for people to email the DPL privately with their "concerns".  If this
style of communication/call-to-gossip is not what we want in Debian,
maybe that is the place to begin changing it?  Perhaps the next Bits
could finish with a call for people to speak to each other directly
instead of emailing the DPL/AH/DAM?

Regards,

Daniel


1. https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2019/01/msg00180.html
2. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/11/msg00007.html


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Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-01-09 18:10 +0100
  Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 18:20 +0100
    Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Thomas Lange <lange@informatik.uni-koeln.de> - 2019-01-09 18:20 +0100
      Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2019-01-09 18:50 +0100
        Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining "Michael K. Edwards" <m.k.edwards@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 19:10 +0100
        Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2019-02-01 11:10 +0100
  Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 18:20 +0100
  Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Wookey <wookey@wookware.org> - 2019-01-09 20:00 +0100
  Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 21:10 +0100
  Re: Call for experiences Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-01-09 22:50 +0100
    Re: Call for experiences Jonathan Wiltshire <jmw@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 23:00 +0100
  Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Jonathan Wiltshire <jmw@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 22:50 +0100
  Re: Call for experiences of Norbert Preining Danai SAE-HAN (韓達耐) <danai.saehan@gmail.com> - 2019-01-09 23:20 +0100

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