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Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:27 AM Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> wrote:
[...]
> Anthony Towns:
[...]

> > Having the boss's decision reviewed by people who report directly to
> > the boss is kind of a dodgy structure; and people on the new member
> > committee will probably want to maintain good relations with DAM, at
> > least if they want to continue doing new member work.
>
> I cannot see a problem here. The vote of NMC will be secret, so there is
> no way that DAM could know about who voted what.

[...]

> > (Another difference between the proposed process and court appeals is
> > that appeals courts can provide detailed opinions as to why the original
> > decision was wrong which helps avoid making the same mistakes in future;
> > this process doesn't really have that feature).
> There could be a _non-mandatory_ reasoning written by the NMC to DAM if
> a decision is overturned.

Those two are mutually exclusive.

Assuming best case and that the text is piped through Secretary to
avoid sender addresses: It would be an undue burden for dissenting NMC
members to find each other in a truly secret ballot, let alone have
them write something in a way which ensures DAM can't deduct from the
style of writing, points raised, and timing who's among the set of
people. Add that everyone in that group would know how many dissenting
votes there were so you even know how many dissenters you would need
to find.


Richard

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Appeal procedure for DAM actions Joerg Jaspert <da-manager@debian.org> - 2019-01-07 23:40 +0100
  Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Jonathan Wiltshire <jmw@debian.org> - 2019-01-08 00:50 +0100
  Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-01-08 11:50 +0100
    Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-01-08 12:30 +0100
      Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org> - 2019-01-08 12:40 +0100
        Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Jonathan Carter <jcc@debian.org> - 2019-01-08 13:10 +0100
  Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> - 2019-01-08 16:20 +0100
    Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2019-01-08 21:50 +0100
  Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Karsten Merker <merker@debian.org> - 2019-01-08 22:30 +0100
    Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Joerg Jaspert <da-manager@debian.org> - 2019-01-08 23:40 +0100
      Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2019-01-09 14:20 +0100
      Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Karsten Merker <merker@debian.org> - 2019-01-10 00:00 +0100
        Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> - 2019-01-10 09:50 +0100
          Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> - 2019-01-10 10:00 +0100
        Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-01-10 15:50 +0100
          Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Jonathan Wiltshire <jmw@debian.org> - 2019-01-11 00:50 +0100
            Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Richard Hartmann <richih.mailinglist@gmail.com> - 2019-01-11 10:00 +0100
  Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Anthony Towns <aj@erisian.com.au> - 2019-01-09 02:10 +0100
    Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 11:30 +0100
      Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Richard Hartmann <richih.mailinglist@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 14:10 +0100
        Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Ulrike Uhlig <ulrike@debian.org> - 2019-01-10 15:50 +0100
    Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2019-01-10 15:10 +0100
  Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Jonathan Wiltshire <jmw@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 16:40 +0100
  Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> - 2019-01-09 16:50 +0100
    Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Pierre-Elliott Bécue <becue@crans.org> - 2019-01-09 19:10 +0100
      Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Luke Faraone <lfaraone@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 19:30 +0100
        Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be> - 2019-01-09 19:50 +0100
          Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Richard Hartmann <richih.mailinglist@gmail.com> - 2019-01-10 14:00 +0100
  Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 19:50 +0100
    Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2019-01-09 21:20 +0100
  Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2019-01-26 10:40 +0100
    Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2019-01-26 17:20 +0100
      Re: Appeal procedure for DAM actions Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2019-01-28 10:00 +0100

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