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Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9

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On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 02:40:41PM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On the other hand, I have done in-place upgrades of Debian on every
> occasion

Ditto. Worked better than they tell on this list to the newcomers.
This particular installation I'm writing from began its life as etch
back before it was testing.


> save one: when I moved my main personal file server from 32-bit
> to 64-bit after a hardware swap.

Did that one too.


> Debian's upgrade process is rather robust.  So much so, that people
> complaining to Red Hat that Debian managed to provide robust in-place
> upgrades since forever

For the sake of the completeness, Red Hat provides a way. It involves
booting from an install CD/DVD with an "upgrade" option. It's
unsupported though.
I did it multiple times, end result can be described as 'salvageable'.


> while people paying $$$ for RHEL support
> contracts were always told, "wipe and reinstall" was at least part of
> what moved Red Hat to start providing support for in-place upgrades (at
> least as of RHEL7, if I understand correctly).

Please do not blame support for that.
Those poor (literally) overseas guys and gals have two options then it
comes to such things.
Option A - do it official Red Hat way (i.e. - reinstall).
Option B - suggest a customer to do an unsupported upgrade, and get
blamed/fired for all kinds of inevitable trouble afterwards.


> The problem that people tend to encounter is when they either don't read
> and follow the instructions in the release notes for the new release or
> have packages installed from low quality third party sources.

Or, in this particular case, follow "good old"
configure-make-make_install pattern.


> There have been some problematic transitions (e.g., the one involving
> udev was a good example)

That's a *very* x86-centric POV.
For instance, whoever came up with the idea of disabling
CONFIG_COMPACTION on armel/kirkwood between jessie and stretch rendered
armel ununsable on stretch.
And let's do not mention kfreebsd.

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strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 "mikesa@corigroup.it" <mikesa@corigroup.it> - 2018-12-29 15:50 +0100
  Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-12-29 16:00 +0100
    Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 "mikesa@corigroup.it" <mikesa@corigroup.it> - 2018-12-29 16:10 +0100
      Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-12-29 16:20 +0100
        Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 "mikesa@corigroup.it" <mikesa@corigroup.it> - 2018-12-29 16:30 +0100
      Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 "mikesa@corigroup.it" <mikesa@corigroup.it> - 2018-12-29 16:20 +0100
        Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-12-29 16:30 +0100
  Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com> - 2018-12-29 20:00 +0100
    Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-12-29 20:50 +0100
      Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-12-29 21:00 +0100
      Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2018-12-29 21:10 +0100
        Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-12-29 22:20 +0100
          Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-12-29 22:30 +0100
            Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2018-12-30 07:30 +0100
              Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-12-30 15:40 +0100
                Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-12-30 15:50 +0100
                Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2018-12-31 15:40 +0100
          Re: strangest things after upgrade from 8 to 9 Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2018-12-30 07:30 +0100
  Re: pavucontrol missing device selection per stream after upgrade  from Debian 8 to 9 David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-02-03 02:10 +0100

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