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Re: No Wifi Option

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On Sat 04 May 2019 at 22:19:43 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

> Quoting Brian (2019-05-04 22:01:07)
> > On Sat 04 May 2019 at 21:32:19 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Terrill,
> > > 
> > > Quoting Terrill Wallace (2019-05-04 20:44:24)
> > > > I am trying to install Debian 9 on my desktop but within the install I 
> > > > am not given a Wifi Option. Can you please help me with this issue?
> > > 
> > > Most likely the wifi device built into your computer requires non-free 
> > > firmware, which is not included with Debian.
> > 
> > Quite possibly.
> >  
> > > Best option (from a Free Software standpoint) is to buy a wifi dongle 
> > > which works with Free Software.  See e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
> > 
> > Indeed.
> >  
> > > Alternatively (if you don't mind the legal implications that comes with 
> > > including non-free formware to your installation) look for the 
> > > unofficial debian-installer image which includes non-free firmware.
> > 
> > Are there legal implications with a user installing non-free software
> > as long as they follow the conditions?
> 
> I am not a lawyer - please have your own lawyer consult you regarding 
> the licensing terms involved - i.e. possibly some of these: 
> https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/
 
A nice side-step of *a user* installing non-free software. Nobody needs
a lawyer to read and understand the conditions under which he got it.
And, of course, there is a considerable difference between what an
individual does and how an organisation behaves.
 
> > Debian, of course, decided it cannot distribute such software. That is
> > why we have the pragmatic nonsense of having official and unofficial
> > installers.
> 
> It seems you are mistaken: Debian can and evidently do distribute such 
> software - just not as part of a Free Software distribution.¹
> 
> Feel free to label it nonsense if that makes you happy.  Cheers!

From

https://www.debian.org/social_contract

   Debian will remain 100% free

   We will never make the system require the use of a non-free component. 

But you maintain "we do distribute such software". So the unofficial
debian-installer is distributed as a less than 100% free part of Debian?
Just like the non-free archive, I suppose?

Confused.

-- 
Brian.

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No Wifi Option Terrill Wallace <terrilljwallacejr@gmail.com> - 2019-05-04 21:10 +0200
  Re: No Wifi Option Carl Fink <carlf@panix.com> - 2019-05-04 21:40 +0200
  Re: No Wifi Option Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-04 21:40 +0200
    Re: No Wifi Option Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-04 22:00 +0200
      Re: No Wifi Option Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-05 01:10 +0200
    Re: No Wifi Option Terrill Wallace <terrilljwallacejr@gmail.com> - 2019-05-04 22:00 +0200
      Re: No Wifi Option Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-04 22:30 +0200
      Re: No Wifi Option rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-05-05 17:10 +0200
        Re: No Wifi Option rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-05-05 17:10 +0200
          Re: No Wifi Option Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-05 17:50 +0200
        Re: No Wifi Option Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-05 17:50 +0200
          Re: No Wifi Option rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-05-05 18:10 +0200
            Re: No Wifi Option Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-05 18:20 +0200
    Re: No Wifi Option Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-04 22:10 +0200
      Re: No Wifi Option Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-04 22:30 +0200
        Re: No Wifi Option Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2019-05-05 00:40 +0200
        Re: No Wifi Option Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-05-05 12:10 +0200
          Re: No Wifi Option Jonas Smedegaard <jonas@jones.dk> - 2019-05-05 12:50 +0200
  Re: No Wifi Option Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-05-04 22:20 +0200

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