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Re: A call to drop gnome as the default desktop

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On 17/4/19 5:26 pm, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> Keith Bainbridge writes:
>> I see the point that people who like gnome should be allowed to use it
>> -
>> so withdraw the drop gnome from debian.  I believe the change to the
>> subject line will keep the discussion together. I'll re-send if it
>> opens a new topic.
> 
> Why should GNOME not stay the default desktop?  Because it supports
> using either of Wayland or X11?
> 
> To quote your original mail this was one of the two main reasons you
> proposed GNOME to be dropped after all (besides not being able to move
> some toolbar):
> 
> | [...] gnome is insisting that we like a new video process, just
> | because the team have decided to like it lots.
> |
> | I say this is NOT freedom.
> 
> How is supporting *only* X11 freedom, but supporting *both* Wayland and
> X11 NOT freedom?
> 
> Wouldn't it be more logical to drop all desktop environments that
> support *only* X11 to give more freedom?
> 
> Ansgar
> 

Ansgar

The snips in my original post were other peoples' quotes. I used them to 
support my reason to claim that gnome does not allow users who can't 
write very high level code, at least one option that I consider 
important. It is this extreme difficulty to do what is simple elsewhere 
that I am calling out - it is NOT freedom.


If I wanted to try Wayland I'd have to accept the restrictions that come 
with it. I recall that one live .iso I tried, offered it as an option. 
That was so long ago that I forget if I get around to trying it - maybe 
early last year, like Feb, with pre-release ubuntu 18.04.   It wouldn't 
really count anyway, as it was in vbox.

Hence, I relented from my position of removing gnome from debian; I 
accepted that I was denying those who wanted it, the option.


I felt a twinge when I read that Wayland needs testers; but I run 
developer versions of office and Firefox and similar Thunderbird as my 
contribution to testing. I'd answer more questions here, but clearly 
most users here know more than I do.   (perhaps the questions about 
super key were tongue in cheek?)

I also drew some comfort from people who said end users shouldn't be 
guinea pigs.


I think that it's ironical that I use a desktop that was gnome just a 
couple of years ago.


-- 
Keith Bainbridge

ke1th3216@gmail.com
+61 (0)447 667 468

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A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 09:20 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 09:50 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Gian Uberto Lauri <saint@eng.it> - 2019-04-16 12:40 +0200
      Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 13:10 +0200
        Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 15:40 +0200
          Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 16:00 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 16:20 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-04-16 19:00 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 19:40 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Matthew Crews <mattcrews@mattcrews.com> - 2019-04-16 20:00 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> - 2019-04-16 20:30 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 21:20 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome as the default desktop Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 07:00 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome as the default desktop Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> - 2019-04-17 09:50 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome as the default desktop Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-18 06:40 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-17 09:50 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-04-16 20:00 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 20:30 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Gian Uberto Lauri <saint@eng.it> - 2019-04-17 09:20 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-17 10:10 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 20:50 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-16 20:50 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br> - 2019-04-17 02:20 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 21:00 +0200
          Re: A call to drop gnome Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> - 2019-04-16 20:00 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 21:20 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> - 2019-04-17 09:40 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-17 10:00 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-04-17 21:20 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-18 05:50 +0200
          Re: A call to drop gnome songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2019-04-17 15:10 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-04-19 05:00 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2019-04-19 05:50 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2019-04-19 07:20 +0200
        Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 16:10 +0200
          Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 06:20 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-04-17 09:20 +0200
        Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 06:00 +0200
      Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 05:50 +0200
        Re: A call to drop gnome Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 22:50 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Dekks Herton <dekkzz78@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 02:30 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-04-16 10:00 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Gian Uberto Lauri <saint@eng.it> - 2019-04-16 12:50 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-16 10:10 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2019-04-16 13:40 +0200
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  Re: A call to drop gnome Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 01:40 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 10:00 +0200
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    Re: A call to drop gnome Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 18:10 +0200

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