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Re: A call to drop gnome

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On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 07:54:18PM +0200, Matthew Crews wrote:
> I will concede that as long as Nvidia drivers do not play nicely with
> Wayland (and they don't AFAIK), X will still be required.

That's very simplistic point of view.
What about Wayland on non-x86, like ARM or MIPS (a hint - it does not
work there, X does)?
Or, for example, whatever they put instead of videocards in servers
these days. Before you ask - I personally saw people putting X on
servers.
Or, something deceptively simple. Debian 10 in QEMU running Wayland.


> But I did just read that Plasma 5.16 landed Nvidia patches that let it
> work under Wayland with Nvidia, so maybe not that much longer in the
> future?

That's just scratching the surface of it. Contrary to the popular
option, video card world does not ends at Intel, AMD and Nvidia.


> (and unfortunately, people will still buy and use Nvidia cards, and want
> support for them whether or not the drivers are FOSS).
> 
> >> Some major ones even USE Wayland by default where possible.
> > 
> > [Scratches head] SUSE? Surely that's what you meant?
> 
> Off the top of my head, Fedora, SUSE and Ubuntu (as of 18.10) use
> Wayland by default.

Ok, I stand corrected.


> >> This all stems back to Synaptic being removed from Debian Buster right?
> > 
> > In this particular thread we discuss a wish of a Debian User, who in no
> > uncertain terms expressed that GNOME should be dropped from the Debian.
> > I mean, look at the Subject.
> 
> Fair enough. I personally think KDE or even XFCE should be the default
> DE for Debian, but thats just my opinion and the the topic of endless
> debate.

I see no debate. GNOME is a primary DE for Debian on i386 and amd64 for
now, and had been for many years, barring that XFCE hiccup back in 2010
(only sid was affected).


> We will be in circles debating what we think the default DE for
> Debian should be. As long as the Debian installer gives us a choice (and
> as long as a variety of Live images for each major DE are available), it
> doesn't really matter in the end.

[Carefully looks at synaptic] Does it?


> I do not think that Gnome should be removed from Debian as long as Gnome
> works fine. As far as I'm concerned, it does work fine. Perfect? No, but
> good enough IMO.

Such trolling topics are a rare source of pure entertainment here.
I do not take them seriously, YMMV.


> On this mailing list, though, I could see a progression from "why is
> synaptic removed from Debian Buster?" to "Lets remove Gnome", hence why
> I brought it up.

Different topics, different OPs. Mostly the same participants, sure.

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A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 09:20 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 09:50 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Gian Uberto Lauri <saint@eng.it> - 2019-04-16 12:40 +0200
      Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 13:10 +0200
        Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 15:40 +0200
          Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 16:00 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 16:20 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-04-16 19:00 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 19:40 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Matthew Crews <mattcrews@mattcrews.com> - 2019-04-16 20:00 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> - 2019-04-16 20:30 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 21:20 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome as the default desktop Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 07:00 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome as the default desktop Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> - 2019-04-17 09:50 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome as the default desktop Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-18 06:40 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-17 09:50 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Matthew Crews <mailinglists@mattcrews.com> - 2019-04-16 20:00 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 20:30 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Gian Uberto Lauri <saint@eng.it> - 2019-04-17 09:20 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-17 10:10 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 20:50 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-16 20:50 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br> - 2019-04-17 02:20 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 21:00 +0200
          Re: A call to drop gnome Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> - 2019-04-16 20:00 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-16 21:20 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> - 2019-04-17 09:40 +0200
                Re: A call to drop gnome Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-17 10:00 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-04-17 21:20 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-18 05:50 +0200
          Re: A call to drop gnome songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2019-04-17 15:10 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2019-04-19 05:00 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2019-04-19 05:50 +0200
              Re: A call to drop gnome Peter Ehlert <pb21a@sdi-baja.com> - 2019-04-19 07:20 +0200
        Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 16:10 +0200
          Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 06:20 +0200
            Re: A call to drop gnome Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-04-17 09:20 +0200
        Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 06:00 +0200
      Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 05:50 +0200
        Re: A call to drop gnome Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 22:50 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Dekks Herton <dekkzz78@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 02:30 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-04-16 10:00 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Gian Uberto Lauri <saint@eng.it> - 2019-04-16 12:50 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-16 10:10 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> - 2019-04-16 13:40 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-04-16 16:50 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-04-16 17:00 +0200
      Re: A call to drop gnome Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-16 18:50 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 01:40 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Keith Bainbridge <ke1th3216@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 10:00 +0200
  Re: A call to drop gnome 황병희 <soyeomul@red-october.yw.doraji.xyz> - 2019-04-17 17:20 +0200
    Re: A call to drop gnome Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2019-04-17 18:10 +0200

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