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Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster

From	David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster
Date	2019-04-11 05:20 +0200
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On Thu 11 Apr 2019 at 00:34:04 (+0200), Nazar Zhuk wrote:
> On 4/10/19 10:58 AM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Sat 06 Apr 2019 at 08:42:31 (+0100), Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 09:39:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> 
> > > > Given a straight toss-up though, I think synaptic has to give way because
> > > > there are plenty of alternatives. I'd never heard of it until a few people
> > > > started mentioning it here, and I'd never consider using it myself on X except
> > > > as an ordinary user.
> > > 
> > > The severity of the bug in synaptic (which is what has caused its autoremoval)
> > > would not be "serious" if the default desktop was not Wayland. So changing
> > > *that*, would mean synaptic could be reintroduced.
> > 
> > So Debian should have its policy dictated by bugs in an unrelated
> > package. Seems an odd strategy.
> 
> If a change (Wayland default) is introducing issues to a stable (in a
> generic sense) system, shouldn't the change be postponed until the
> issues are resolved? Perhaps with the help from the change proponents.

I don't think it's an issue that'll be resolved in the direction you
intend. It's the enforcement of a security model that has guided most
of us for years: not running GUI applications as root.

The normal way of circumventing this is to have a non-GUI program that
performs all the work running as root, with a connection to a GUI
client program that runs as the user/administrator.

I'm not in a position to know whether running programs like gparted is
secure enough if the network is disconnected while it is running on,
say, a live system. But for synaptic, it might be written in such a
way that you can get the resolver to run with your friendly interface
as an ordinary user, and then use apt-get, say, to install the list
of packages that synaptic has come up with. Does the latter have a
dry-run option (like -s in apt-get, demonstrated here:)?

$ apt-get -s install synaptic
NOTE: This is only a simulation!
      apt-get needs root privileges for real execution.
      Keep also in mind that locking is deactivated,
      so don't depend on the relevance to the real current situation!
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  docbook-xml libcairo-perl libept1.5.0 libglib-perl libgtk2-perl libpango-perl libpcre2-8-0
  librarian0 libvte-2.91-0 libvte-2.91-common rarian-compat sgml-data
Suggested packages:
  docbook docbook-dsssl docbook-xsl docbook-defguide libfont-freetype-perl libgtk2-perl-doc
  perlsgml w3-recs opensp libxml2-utils dwww apt-xapian-index software-properties-gtk
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  docbook-xml libcairo-perl libept1.5.0 libglib-perl libgtk2-perl libpango-perl libpcre2-8-0
  librarian0 libvte-2.91-0 libvte-2.91-common rarian-compat sgml-data synaptic
0 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Inst sgml-data (2.0.10 Debian:9.8/stable [all])
[… snipped most of the install and configure lines …]
Conf rarian-compat (0.8.1-6+b1 Debian:9.8/stable [amd64])
$ 

Cheers,
David.

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'synaptic' removed from buster David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2019-04-04 13:00 +0200
  Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster "Alexander V. Makartsev" <avbetev@gmail.com> - 2019-04-04 13:00 +0200
    Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-04-04 13:40 +0200
      Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br> - 2019-04-04 14:50 +0200
        Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-04 15:00 +0200
          Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-04-05 17:10 +0200
            Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-05 17:50 +0200
              Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 23:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-04-06 00:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2019-04-06 01:00 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2019-04-06 01:50 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-06 04:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-04-06 09:50 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-10 18:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Nazar Zhuk <nazar@zhuk.online> - 2019-04-11 00:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Lee <ler762@gmail.com> - 2019-04-11 01:50 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-11 05:30 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-11 05:20 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Nazar Zhuk <nazar@zhuk.online> - 2019-04-11 21:00 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-11 22:30 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-06 15:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-09 22:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-06 10:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-04-06 10:50 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2019-04-06 11:00 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Dominic Knight <dominicknight@gmx.com> - 2019-04-06 12:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-09 22:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster rhkramer@gmail.com - 2019-04-06 14:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-06 15:00 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-04-08 14:30 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Jan Claeys <lists@janc.be> - 2019-04-06 14:50 +0200
        Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-04 15:10 +0200
          Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-04 16:20 +0200
            Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-04 18:00 +0200
              Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-04 21:30 +0200
            Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2019-04-06 20:30 +0200
          Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2019-04-04 19:40 +0200
            Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2019-04-04 19:50 +0200
              Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-04 21:50 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-04-04 22:00 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-04 22:20 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2019-04-04 22:30 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-04-05 17:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-05 20:30 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-06 05:20 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-06 15:30 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-09 22:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Jan Claeys <lists@janc.be> - 2019-04-05 21:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-05 22:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-05 22:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Jan Claeys <lists@janc.be> - 2019-04-06 15:00 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> - 2019-04-06 01:30 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2019-04-05 17:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 08:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-05 08:50 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 09:50 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-05 12:00 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 12:20 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-05 12:30 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-05 13:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 13:50 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2019-04-05 14:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 13:40 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2019-04-05 22:20 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-04-06 03:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-05 11:10 +0200
                Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 12:00 +0200
        Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk> - 2019-04-04 15:50 +0200
          Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br> - 2019-04-05 15:30 +0200
            Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 15:40 +0200
              Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Francisco M Neto <fmneto@fmneto.com.br> - 2019-04-05 17:30 +0200
            Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-05 19:50 +0200
              Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Charlie <taoquester@gmail.com> - 2019-04-06 00:40 +0200
      Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-04 15:00 +0200
  Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2019-04-04 14:30 +0200
    Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster David <bouncingcats@gmail.com> - 2019-04-04 16:40 +0200
    Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-04-05 14:50 +0200
      Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2019-04-05 20:40 +0200
        Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2019-04-05 21:30 +0200
  Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-04 15:00 +0200

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