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| From | Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | linux.debian.user |
| Subject | Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster |
| Date | 2019-04-05 19:50 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <xJB8t-1vx-7@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink) |
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On Friday 05 April 2019 09:03:40 Francisco M Neto wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 14:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > To add to what Curt and Reco have said: Running Synaptic using a
> > Wayland/Gnome combo,by clicking on an icon, it doesn't start. Not
> > very helpful, I think you'll agree. Especially for software that's
> > aimed squarely at GUI users. Started from a shell an error is,
> > however, reported. It's unfortunate that, as yet, a remedy has not
> > been forthcoming.
>
> Thanks for your input, and Curt and Reco as well.
>
> I'm not a big user of Synaptic myself, although sometimes it's easier
> to mark several packages and not worry about dependencies, instead of
> going through all the trouble of making several apt searches in
> command line.
>
> \begin{rant}
>
> That being said, my *main* beef with Synaptic being out of Buster is
> an entirely different matter. I would not object to removing it from
> the release, *if* a viable alternative was available with at least the
> same level of functionality, which does *not* seem to be the case.
> What is even worse, though, is the attitude of some people about
> that. I asked the same question I asked in my previous email in
> #debian-next yesterday, only to leave the channel before the flamewar
> became full fledged. I was "gently" reminded by certain people there
> of why, in the end, I have never gone all the way into trying to
> become a DM or a DD. Synaptic, which provides a very useful
> functionality to a large number of users, was unapologetically removed
> from the release because it does not work with the "default"
> installation. Which is understandable, but also extreme. If someone
> happens to *not* use the default installation, be it by not using
> Gnome, or not using Wayland, they are kept from updating an important
> piece of their maintenance toolkit. And that's inexcusable, especially
> when all they can say about it is "maintainer didn't do his job" or
> "if you want this fixed, do it yourself".
> Well, no. Being a free software user or even a Debian enthusiast does
> not make me a specialist in packaging, or in Synaptic internals, or
> Wayland internals for that matter. When someone who claims to be a
> Debian Developer or Maintainer or whatever, who is in a position of
> being responsible for ensuring that the release is as good as it can
> be, excuses themselves from fixing a Release Critical bug just because
> "they have better things to do", they are not doing a very good job.
> And, to be quite honest, I don't think they should be in that
> position.
>
> Sadly, it's an attitude that I have encountered more often than not
> when trying to dialogue with people involved in Debian (or in Gnome,
> by the way). And that's just very sad.
>
> \end{rant}
>
> Have a good day, gentlemen.
> Francisco
Extremely well said, Francisco
Attitudes do not seem to be improving despite the beatings. Perhaps we
should start a go-fund-me for a few beers now & then?
TANSTAAFL applies here too folks.
We all tend to forget these guys like to eat and pay the rent, so most
have a $dayjob unless a student with an arm long enough to reach Daddy's
wallet. And we users should not so readily forget that.
Sadly there are times when I too am blatantly forgetfull of that. Thanks
to all the people that make debian happen.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 13:50 +0200
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Re: 'synaptic' removed from buster Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2019-04-04 15:00 +0200
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