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Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd

From	Morel Bérenger <berenger.morel@sga-automation.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.user
Subject	Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd
Date	2018-10-16 21:30 +0200
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Le Sun, 14 Oct 2018 10:23:15 -0400,
Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> a écrit :

> I have encountered no problems that can be attributed to my choice of
> init system.

Doing the same. Works fine, except the fact network interfaces that are
using DHCPCD but are unplugged slow down the boot process *a lot*.
I could only solve that point by no longer
using /etc/network/interfaces and initialising stuff by hand in a
home-made service script (using runit on top of sysV here, so that's
pretty easy to do).

However, I would like to point out that the best way to have really no
traces of systemd in a system after a fresh install is to use
(c)debootstrap in minimal flavour, chroot in the resulting system,
install sysVinit, then the init metapackage (optional, obviously, but
may avoid problems from upgrades), all the stuff a working Debian needs
(netbase, kernel, etc...).

This is the only way to avoid having users and groups lying around for
nothing, or other stuff (files in /var, maybe  units (never really
checked)... ).
This is what I'm doing through a PXE installation that auto-installs
systems.

Concerning the fact systemd-udev's developers do not intend to support
non-systemd inits, I guess the best would be to port the Devuan's eudev
package to Debian.
That would probably not be that hard, and might become something I'll
need to do for work someday.

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Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-10-14 16:40 +0200
  Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-10-14 18:20 +0200
    Re: Pico-report: using Stable without sysvinit Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-10-14 20:30 +0200
      Re: Pico-report: using Stable without sysvinit Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 22:10 +0200
        Re: Pico-report: using Stable without sysvinit Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-10-14 22:30 +0200
          Re: Pico-report: using Stable without sysvinit <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-10-15 10:10 +0200
            Re: Pico-report: using Stable without sysvinit Reco <recoverym4n@enotuniq.net> - 2018-10-15 10:50 +0200
              OT (as was to be expected) Trolling [was: Pico-report: using Stable  without sysvinit] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-10-15 11:10 +0200
              Re: Pico-report: using Stable without sysvinit Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 16:50 +0200
  Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2018-10-14 18:20 +0200
    Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-10-14 18:40 +0200
      Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Tixy <tixy@yxit.co.uk> - 2018-10-14 19:50 +0200
  Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-10-14 18:30 +0200
    Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Dan Ritter <dsr@randomstring.org> - 2018-10-14 19:30 +0200
  Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Patrick Bartek <nemommxiv@gmail.com> - 2018-10-14 22:00 +0200
    Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Erik Christiansen <dvalin@internode.on.net> - 2018-10-15 07:20 +0200
  Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-10-15 15:50 +0200
    Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2018-10-15 16:20 +0200
      Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-10-16 11:20 +0200
        Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-10-16 11:40 +0200
          Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-16 17:40 +0200
            Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-10-16 18:20 +0200
              Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 18:40 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-10-16 19:10 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Default User <hunguponcontent@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 20:20 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-10-16 22:40 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-16 23:50 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-10-17 10:30 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-17 11:20 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2018-10-17 12:00 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-10-17 10:50 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-10-17 14:50 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-10-17 15:50 +0200
              Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-16 19:10 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-10-16 19:30 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-10-16 21:20 +0200
                X11 Forwarding and inet6 support on loopback (Was: Micro-report:  using Stable without systemd) Étienne Mollier <etienne.mollier@mailoo.org> - 2018-10-16 22:40 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-17 00:20 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-10-17 01:20 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-17 02:20 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Felmon Davis <davisf@union.edu> - 2018-10-17 08:40 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 06:00 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-10-17 07:00 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd mick crane <mick.crane@gmail.com> - 2018-10-17 09:50 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2018-10-18 00:40 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Morel Bérenger <berenger.morel@sga-automation.com> - 2018-10-17 10:40 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-17 11:00 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Morel Bérenger <berenger.morel@sga-automation.com> - 2018-10-17 12:20 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Gene Heskett <gheskett@shentel.net> - 2018-10-17 19:20 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Morel Bérenger <berenger.morel@sga-automation.com> - 2018-10-18 12:00 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Morel Bérenger <berenger.morel@sga-automation.com> - 2018-10-17 11:40 +0200
                Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-10-16 22:40 +0200
              Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2018-10-16 21:50 +0200
        Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd john doe <johndoe65534@mail.com> - 2018-10-16 16:40 +0200
          Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Jonathan Dowland <jmtd@debian.org> - 2018-10-16 18:10 +0200
            Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> - 2018-10-16 20:40 +0200
  Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Morel Bérenger <berenger.morel@sga-automation.com> - 2018-10-16 21:30 +0200
    Re: Micro-report: using Stable without systemd Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> - 2018-10-17 11:00 +0200

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