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Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s)

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On Thu, 29 Mar 2018 at 13:11:54 +0000, Mike Gabriel wrote:
> This is to make people aware and inform about an ongoing effort to replace
> Indicators in Debian (most people know the concept from Ubuntu) by a more
> generically developed and actively maintained fork: Ayatana Indicators.

Which concrete libraries and packages does this refer to? As a
Debian/GNOME contributor who has not been involved in Ubuntu or Ayatana,
I've been confused in the past about what the difference is between
libindicate, libindicator, libappindicator and possibly others.

It would be great to have a tl;dr road map for these libraries, and any
related libraries that are in NEW or otherwise not in Debian yet,
classifying them into:

* current and recommended (preferably documented by an upload)

* deprecated but still supported (preferably documented by an upload
  and/or ftp.debian.org bug overriding their Section to oldlibs)

* unsupported and should not be in Debian (preferably documented
  by RC bugs "should not be released with buster" and/or ftp.debian.org
  RM bugs)

> Theses are panel plugins mostly, that render the system tray icons and menus
> (and widgets) defined by indicator aware applications. They normally come
> with your desktop environment (if it supports indicators).

Am I right in thinking that Ubuntu's
https://github.com/Ubuntu/gnome-shell-extension-appindicator is the
recommended implementation of this for GNOME 3?

> The nice part of Ayatana AppIndicator shared library is: if a desktop shell
> does not offer the SNI service, then it tries to fall back to the xembed-way
> of adding system tray icons to your panel / status bar.

Is Ayatana AppIndicator a reasonable exit strategy for escaping from
XEmbed-based tray icons, which are increasingly poorly supported and have
no Wayland implementation?

I currently maintain gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus, and would be
happy to hand it over to someone else or deprecate it in favour of a
different "tray icon" mechanism (or even make it a transitional package
if some new extension can be made to act as a drop-in replacement).

    smcv

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Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <sunweaver@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 15:20 +0200
  Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 16:00 +0200
    Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> - 2018-03-29 23:30 +0200
      Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2018-03-30 01:30 +0200
        Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> - 2018-03-30 20:10 +0200
          Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-03 20:20 +0200
            Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> - 2018-04-04 15:30 +0200
              Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-04 16:00 +0200
                Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) [and 1 more  messages] Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> - 2018-04-04 16:50 +0200
      Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-03 20:20 +0200
        Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> - 2018-04-04 15:50 +0200
          Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> - 2018-04-04 16:10 +0200
          Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-04 16:10 +0200
    Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> - 2018-04-06 14:50 +0200
    Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <mike.gabriel@das-netzwerkteam.de> - 2018-04-06 15:30 +0200
  Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-03-29 19:00 +0200
    Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-03 20:30 +0200
      Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <sunweaver@debian.org> - 2018-04-04 15:20 +0200
  Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Clément Hermann <nodens@nodens.org> - 2018-04-06 16:20 +0200
    Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-06 16:50 +0200
    Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <sunweaver@debian.org> - 2018-04-06 22:50 +0200
      Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-09 15:30 +0200
        Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <sunweaver@debian.org> - 2018-04-10 15:00 +0200
          Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-10 16:00 +0200
            Re: Upcoming shift to Ayatana (App)Indicator(s) Mike Gabriel <sunweaver@debian.org> - 2018-04-14 01:40 +0200

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