Re: DMA is obsolete

From	Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.arch
Subject	Re: DMA is obsolete
Date	2025-05-04 06:44 +0000
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On Sat, 03 May 2025 06:11:00 GMT, Anton Ertl wrote:

> In any case, I have made arguments why it would make sense to use the
> same ISA as for the OS for programming the cores that replace DMA
> engines.  I will discuss your counterarguments below, but the most
> important one to me seems to be that these cores would cost more than
> with a different ISA.

I think efficiency of implementation is still important enough to outweigh 
that. Case in point: the RP2040 chip from the Raspberry Pi Foundation. 
That has an ARM core, combined with a pair of auxiliary processors not a 
million miles removed from the old mainframe idea of “I/O channels”. Those 
auxiliary processors have sufficient oomph to perform feats such as 
emulating the analog video signal from a 1980s-vintage BBC micro, in real 
time.

Newer versions of the chip have a RISC-V core in there somewhere, too.

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DMA is obsolete John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-26 16:19 +0000
  Re: DMA is obsolete Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2025-04-26 16:28 +0000
    Re: DMA is obsolete Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-04-26 19:28 +0200
    Re: DMA is obsolete Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-27 19:35 +0100
      Re: DMA is obsolete mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-27 20:49 +0000
        Re: DMA is obsolete scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 22:37 +0000
      Re: DMA is obsolete Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-28 01:20 +0000
  Re: DMA is obsolete scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-26 17:29 +0000
    Re: DMA is obsolete mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-26 19:25 +0000
      Re: DMA is obsolete scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 14:01 +0000
        Re: DMA is obsolete scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 16:12 +0000
      Re: DMA is obsolete scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 14:02 +0000
      Re: DMA is obsolete Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-04-27 20:13 +0100
        Re: DMA is obsolete mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-27 20:45 +0000
          Re: DMA is obsolete scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-27 22:44 +0000
      Re: DMA is obsolete cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-05-01 13:07 +0000
        Re: DMA is obsolete mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-01 22:03 +0000
          Re: DMA is obsolete cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-05-02 02:15 +0000
            Re: DMA is obsolete anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-02 05:34 +0000
              Re: DMA is obsolete cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-05-02 15:02 +0000
                Re: DMA is obsolete anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2025-05-03 06:11 +0000
                Re: DMA is obsolete Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 06:32 -0400
                Re: DMA is obsolete cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-05-03 13:33 +0000
                IP (was: DMA is obsolete) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-03 10:50 -0400
                Re: IP (was: DMA is obsolete) Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-05-03 15:15 +0000
                Re: IP (was: DMA is obsolete) John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-05-03 15:46 +0000
                Re: IP (was: DMA is obsolete) cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-05-03 16:52 +0000
                Re: IP (was: DMA is obsolete) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-03 21:31 +0000
                Re: IP Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-05-03 23:04 -0400
                Re: IP cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-05-04 09:56 +0000
                Re: IP Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2025-05-04 10:17 +0000
                Re: IP mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-04 18:16 +0000
                Re: IP Bill Findlay <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-04 19:37 +0100
                Re: IP Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 21:31 +0000
                Re: DMA is obsolete Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 06:44 +0000
                Re: DMA is obsolete scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-03 21:53 +0000
                Re: DMA is obsolete mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-03 23:02 +0000
                Re: DMA is obsolete cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2025-05-21 12:36 +0000
            Re: DMA is obsolete mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-05-02 17:40 +0000
              Re: DMA is obsolete Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2025-05-03 14:29 +0200
                ND-10 (was Re: DMA is obsolete) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-05-03 23:30 +0000
                Re: ND-10 (was Re: DMA is obsolete) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-04 02:10 +0000

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