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VanguardLH wrote:
> Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>> mpcmdrun.exe -scan -scantype 2 > %temp%\mpscan.txt & notepad %temp%
>>>> \mpscan.txt
>>>
>>> Thanks for jumping to help.
>>>
>>> No sign of CMD in Task Manager, nor in Reliability Monitor.
>>> The shortcut points to the version in system32, which I tried by
>>> clicking on it in situ; same brief flash.
>>> Cmd.exe and cmd.exe/k produce the same phenomenon.
>>> I've run DISM and sfc /scannow again, plus done a full chkdsk c: /f /r.
>>> I'm now running a full Windows Defender scan; fingers crossed.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>> Full scan ok. 57 mins. Zero threats found.
>> No mention of CMD in Event Viewer.
>> The version of CMD in SysWOW64 has the same disappearing behaviour.
>>
>> However, I installed Administrator account and it works just fine from
>> there. And the file location is the same as my user.
>>
>> I'm pondering whether to run a full system repair - download Win10
>> latest. But there's no sign of any other problem, and this one seems too
>> minor to warrant such extensive attention. I can use Powershell, and, in
>> case of necessity, CMD in Administrator account.
>>
>> Ed
> 
> winston mentions there might be a window sizing problem.  Possibly the
> console window is minimized leaving only its Taskbar button.
> 
> In addition, after you run cmd.exe, and the window opens and disappears,
> is cmd.exe still listed as a running process in Task Manager?
> 
> Is there still a Taskbar button for cmd.exe?  Or is it the Taskbar
> button you see appear and quickly disappear (and never do see the
> console window)?
> 
> If there is a Taskbar button for cmd.exe's console window, but you don't
> see the window, could be it is minimized, or it is offscreen.  Click the
> Taskbar button for cmd.exe to make it the active window, hit
> Alt+Spacebar to activate its Control Menu, hit M (to select the Move
> menu entry), and use the arrow keys to move the window around.  Most
> windows still have the Control Menu, but often the "-" at the left end
> of the titlebar is not shown.  Alternatively, you can Shift+rightclick
> on the Taskbar button to see the Control Menu for that window.
> 
> You could also try using Win+arrowkey to move around a window.  Click
> the Taskbar button for the program, and use: Win+left to snap the window
> to the upper left side of the screen, Win+right to snap to the upper
> right side, Win+up to maximize to full screen height, and Win+down to
> normalize.
> 
> https://www.howtogeek.com/310/bring-misplaced-off-screen-windows-back-to-your-desktop-keyboard-trick/
> 
> Besides the other methods mentioned, it notes using WinLister.  I forgot
> I had this tool.  I have most of Nirsoft's tools, and this one, too.
> The "Centered Selected Windows" context menu item would snap and resize
> those windows to the center of your monitor.
> 
> Do you have dual monitors?  For multiple monitors, Win+Shift+left/right
> moves the window between monitors.  Win+P gives a menu of where you want
> to project the screen.
> 
> You say cmd.exe loads okay in a new Windows account.  There is always an
> Administrator account.  It is created when you install Windows.  It
> prompts you to create another account.  So, I'm not sure what you mean
> by you installed an Administrator account when it should've already
> existed.  When booting Windows, does it automatically log into your
> Windows account (i.e., never ask you which account to use)?  Automatic
> login won't show accounts you can log into.
> 
> Run netplwiz to see a list of accounts.  For the one called
> Administrator, you just created that account, or you just logged into it
> for the first time?  For the "User must enter a username ..." option, is
> it selected, or not?
> 
> Are you using Applocker?
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/application-security/application-control/app-control-for-business/applocker/applocker-overview
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVVgXnorpvA
> 
> Or Software Restriction Policies (SRPs)?
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/identity/software-restriction-policies/software-restriction-policies
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L--wgJJrosY
> https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/124008-use-applocker-allow-block-executable-files-windows-10-a.html
> 
> You didn't say which edition of Windows 10 you have.  Home editions
> don't have either the gpedit.msc or secpol.msc policy editors.  When I
> had a Pro edition, I played with Applocker for a short time, but decided
> it was too complicated to bother with, and I didn't need to lockdown my
> computer that hard, anyway.  However, if you log into a domain account
> it is possible security policies get pushed to your workstation.  You
> probably are logging into a local account, but something or someone
> could still add registry entries for policies.  According to:
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-server-2012-r2-and-2012/ee844171(v=ws.11)
> 
> Applocker settings are stored under:
> 
> \HKEY_LOCAL_Machine\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\SrpV2
> 
> The key name hints Applocker is the 2nd version of SRP (Software
> Restriction Policy).
> 
> I've used SRPs in the past to block a program from loading.  I added a
> Path rule to specify which .exe I did not want to allow to load.  These
> were locally defined by me, not pushed by a domain login.  All policies
> are defined in the registry, but SRPs are hash protected.
> 
> Local group policies are stored under C:\Windows\System32\GroupPolicy to
> get merged into the registry during startup for computer policies or
> during logon for user policies.  When using gpedit.msc, you are viewing
> what is under C:\Windows\System32\GroupPolicy, not what is currently
> loaded in the registry.
> 
> SRPs are not applied when booting into Windows safe mode.  Try that and
> logging into your account to retest cmd.exe.
> 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/it-pro/windows-server-2012-R2-and-2012/hh994620(v=ws.11)?redirectedfrom=MSDN#if-you-experience-problems-with-applied-policy-settings-restart-windows-in-safe-mode
> 
> Microsoft tried to neuter SRPs, but there are hacks to keep it working.
> They want you to use Applocker.  But if you used SRPs before, and
> upgraded Windows instead of a fresh install, possibly some SRPs survived
> into the upgrade.
> 
> https://borncity.com/win/2023/02/24/software-restriction-policies-safer-still-possible-under-windows-11-22h2/
> 
> 3rd-party security software could also effect the same disable/block on
> starting programs.

Have you seen my SOLVED posting in this thread?
It worked for me. I found it in a Google search for this problem.
I'm no expert on Win10, but I should think that the things done therein 
should reveal the underlying cause to someone who is.

Ed

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No CMD Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 10:36 +0100
  Re: No CMD Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 06:31 -0400
  Re: No CMD VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 06:05 -0500
    Re: No CMD Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 14:42 +0100
      Re: No CMD MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-04-25 15:47 +0100
      Re: No CMD Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 16:16 +0100
        Re: No CMD VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 12:53 -0500
          Re: No CMD Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 20:05 +0100
            Re: No CMD VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 20:53 -0500
              Re: No CMD Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-26 12:00 +0100
                Re: No CMD Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-26 15:01 +0000
                Change of Subject (was: No CMD) VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-26 18:50 -0500
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                Re: Change of Subject VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-03 09:47 -0500
                Re: No CMD Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-04-26 15:48 -0700
    Re: No CMD "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-04-25 11:12 -0400
      Re: No CMD Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 17:19 +0100
  SOLVED Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-25 17:40 +0100
    Re: SOLVED Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-25 16:19 -0400
    Re: SOLVED VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-25 22:19 -0500
    Re: SOLVED Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-05-13 18:47 +0100
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