Re: virtualization, Constant Stack Canaries

From	John Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
Newsgroups	comp.arch
Subject	Re: virtualization, Constant Stack Canaries
Date	2025-04-17 01:04 +0000
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According to Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net>:
>>I think you could gain a tiny amount of efficiency if the OS (super) 
>>allowed the user to set up handle certain classes of exceptions, e.g. 
>>divide faults) itself rather than having to go through the super.
>
>Think carefully about the security implications of user-mode interrupt
>delivery.  Particuarly with respect to potential impacts on other
>processes running on the system, and to overall system functionality.
>
>Handling interrupts requires direct access to the hardware from
>user-mode.

I think he was talking about exceptions, not interrupts.  I don't see much
danger in reflecting divide faults and supervisor calls directly back
to the virtual machine.  I gather that IBM's virtualization microcode has
done that for decades.

External interrupts are indeed a lot harder unless you know a whole lot
about the thing that's interrupting.
-- 
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

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Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-03-30 08:16 -0400
  Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-03-30 12:47 -0500
    Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-03-30 20:14 +0000
      Re: Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-03-30 21:26 -0400
      Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-03-31 01:34 -0500
      Re: Constant Stack Canaries Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-03-31 09:04 -0700
        Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-03-31 12:17 -0500
          Re: Constant Stack Canaries Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-03-31 10:57 -0700
          Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-03-31 18:07 +0000
            Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-03-31 13:56 -0500
              Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-03-31 20:52 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 00:58 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-01 18:51 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 18:06 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-01 23:24 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 20:07 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-02 01:47 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-04 21:07 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 16:21 -0500
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 18:19 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 23:04 -0500
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 14:34 -0500
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-01 23:21 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-04-01 22:55 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-04-01 23:19 -0500
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-04-03 10:09 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-04-03 12:22 -0500
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-03 23:49 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 12:41 -0500
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-04 21:13 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 23:45 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-05 16:37 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-05 18:31 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-05 17:57 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-05 23:11 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-06 14:21 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Robert Finch <robfi680@gmail.com> - 2025-04-06 15:01 -0400
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-07 14:04 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-05 23:06 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-06 14:32 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-07 00:51 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-07 14:09 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-09 00:23 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-15 00:43 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-15 14:02 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-15 20:46 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-16 14:07 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-16 21:13 +0000
                Virtualization layers (was: Constant Stack Canaries) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-04-16 17:48 -0400
                Re: Virtualization layers mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-16 22:12 +0000
                Re: Virtualization layers (was: Constant Stack Canaries) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-17 00:49 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-04-16 15:26 -0700
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-17 00:57 +0000
                Re: virtualization, Constant Stack Canaries John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2025-04-17 01:04 +0000
                Re: virtualization, Constant Stack Canaries Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2025-04-16 21:07 -0400
                Re: virtualization, Constant Stack Canaries Stephen Fuld <sfuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> - 2025-04-16 23:30 -0700
                Re: virtualization, Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-17 13:32 +0000
                Re: virtualization, Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-17 18:22 +0000
                Re: virtualization, Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-17 20:10 +0000
                Re: virtualization, Constant Stack Canaries mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2025-04-17 21:45 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-04-17 00:47 +0000
                Re: Constant Stack Canaries BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2025-04-02 00:43 -0500

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