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Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure

From pothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
Newsgroups talk.politics.misc, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.politics
Subject Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure
Date 2025-03-27 13:00 +0000
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On 2025-03-27, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> On 3/26/25 18:52, pothead wrote:
>> On 2025-03-26, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 3/26/25 07:32, NoBody wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 25 Mar 2025 15:35:43 -0000 (UTC), bks@panix.com (Bradley K.
>>>> Sherman) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>> <https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5212589-warner-hegseth-waltz-intel-group-chat/>
>>>>>
>>>>>      --bks
>>>>>
>>>>> They're DUI hires.
>>>>
>>>> I love that you take the word of a reporter from the Atlantic that
>>>> there were any plans discussed in the chat.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately for such spin attempts ... Goldman/Atlantic has receipts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Which is why multiple government sources have already confirmed key
>>> elements of the story.  Its already pretty damn airtight.
>>>
>>> Plus a Catch-22 dilemma that the Administration has is that if they now
>>> try to claim that the Signal thread was a nothingburger because nothing
>>> was classified (which is BS, but let's continue), then they have zero
>>> legal basis to then try to go after the Atlantic.
>>>
>>> Plus as of last week, the Signal App was specifically not allowed to be
>>> installed on Gov't secure devices, so it begs the question of how did
>>> "Sometimes Sober" Pete copy/paste the strike data over to the chat?
>>>
>>> The prisoner's dilemma: either knowingly passed data from secured (high
>>> side) device to unsecured (low side)  device -or- had spillage from
>>> having/allowing a prohibited App be installed onto a secure Gov device.
>>> Both are equally bad from a criminal culpability standpoint, because
>>> ignorance of the law isn't an excuse.
>>>
>>> And finally...the Atlantic already has the receipts that show that the
>>> Signal App had been configured for a one week auto-delete, which means
>>> if/when it goes missing, they've violated Federal document retention
>>> laws.  This law applies regardless of classification status.
>>>
>>>
>>>    -hh
>> 
>> Personally, this needs to be investigated thouroughly to determine where the
>> escape was.
>> 
>> Was it a simple invite error?
>> We all have sent emails to the wrong person based upon autofill.
>> Careless, but it does happen.
>
> The invite might have been, but protocols to positively verify each 
> attendee didn't happen (violation), nor their need-to-know (violation).
>
>
>> Was it a rogue insider leaking?
>
> Anything's possible when you didn't individually clear each attendee.
>
>> Was it a security hack into someone's phone or the Signal app itself?
>
> Also possible, more likely at the individual phone level.  Despite how 
> Signal likes to brag that it is encrypted, the devices its on aren't, 
> which is probably part of the reason why it isn't an authorized App for 
> secure devices ... recent DoD guidance allows Signal for some very minor 
> things, but it is not authorized even for just the FOUO/CUI level, let 
> alone S / TC / SCI stuff.
>
><https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5339801/pentagon-email-signal-vulnerability>
>
> Another threat vector is that everyone was outside of a SCIF, so their 
> cellular tower signals were at risk of interception...and for those who 
> were OCONUS, like 100% odds...and encryption can be broken by various 
> means today by State actors:  not only huge AI farms, but this is also 
> why the US is concerned of foreign advancements in quantum computing: 
> quantum is many orders of magnitude faster than brute force.
>
>> I will not speculate at this point but the latest information from the WH admits
>> sensitive data was shared but not secret data which emails were sent to secure
>> mailboxes.
>
> Problem is that Signal's not even authorized for use for sensitive, so 
> all that this announcement is doing is *trying* to protect Pete & the 
> others from straight-up criminal charges over classified spillage...and 
> yes, the details that were listed were operational & always classified 
> in advance.
>
><https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nsa-signal-app-vulnerabilities-before-houthi-strike-chat/>
>
>
>> As for the reporter and The Atlantic, both are Trump/conservative hating so
>> I have to wonder why a conservative, or other MSM liberal reporter was given
>> access to the call but instead one of the most rabid haters on the planet was.
>> 
>> Seems a little too coincidental to me.
>
> Use of Signal to violate the Presidential Records Act is reportedly 
> listed in the Project 2025 playbook.  This breach is indicative of it 
> being extensively used as a method to violate the law on document 
> retention, as it was set with a "one week" auto-expire.
>
>
>> Let's see how it plays out but for now Trump owns it.
>
> He certainly does own it ..
>
> .. and I read last night a short paragraph from a military SME who 
> pointed out the key datapoints within the Signal discussion which very 
> reasonably could have been used within the timeframe allowed to not only 
> protect their own people (which may have been a war crime BTW), but 
> harden air defenses against the F/A-18s (higher risk for our pilots) but 
> it also disclosed the region that our Aircraft Carrier battle fleet was, 
> which could have come under attack as well:  the "what's the worst that 
> could happen?" scenario is that we could have lost an entire Carrier in 
> addition to whatever aircraft.
>
> We got lucky a couple of ways this time that nothing bad happened, but 
> we've also revealed vulnerability vectors that won't be overlooked next 
> time by opponents.  This is why this shit is taken seriously by real 
> adults:  "Loose Lips Sink Ships".
>
>
> -hh

Good post.
I confess I know nothing about Signal and in fact had never heard of it before
recently.
I know that What's App is forbidden by most large corporations due to security
concerns.

I'm interested to see how this one plays out and at this point nothing will
surprise me.


-- 
pothead
Liberalism Is A Mental Disease
Treat it accordingly
<https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-14512427/Doctors-reveal-symptoms-Trump-Derangement-Syndrome-tell-youve-got-it.html>

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Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-25 07:35 -0400
  Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-25 11:49 +0000
    Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2025-03-25 13:05 +0000
      Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-25 15:35 +0000
        Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-03-26 07:32 -0400
          Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-26 11:38 +0000
            Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-26 12:48 +0000
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Blue Lives Matter <Iron_White@Systemic_Patrriotism.org> - 2025-03-26 11:16 -0400
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 20:31 -0400
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-03-27 07:08 -0400
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 20:31 -0400
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              Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-26 22:45 +0000
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 20:34 -0400
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-03-27 07:13 -0400
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-27 13:10 +0000
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-04-01 19:42 +0000
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-04-03 02:41 -0400
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-04-09 13:01 +0000
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-04-25 12:41 +0000
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-26 09:26 -0700
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-05-01 16:44 +0000
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-05-02 11:01 +0000
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 15:54 -0400
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-04-03 02:39 -0400
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-27 13:35 +0000
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 20:37 -0400
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                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Skeeter <none@none.com> - 2025-03-27 15:06 -0600
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 20:35 -0400
          Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-26 16:25 -0400
            Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-26 22:52 +0000
              Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure Siri Cruz <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-26 18:20 -0700
              Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-27 08:39 -0400
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-27 13:00 +0000
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2025-03-27 14:38 +0000
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2025-03-28 07:04 -0400
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-03-28 13:05 +0000
                Re: Signalgate, A Massive Trump National Security Failure -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-03-28 11:25 -0400
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