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Re: Will It Recommend You Install Linux?

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On Sat, 3/22/2025 10:19 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2025 17:20:51 -0500, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote in
> <12ltxfvvwcvem.dlg@v.nguard.lh>:
> 
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>   (noise deleted from vallor's attribution line)
>>>
>>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>>>   (noise removed from vallor's attribution line)
>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just about everything, is functionally broken right now. For
>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>> even if you had the money, you can't drive to BestBuy and buy a
>>>>>>> GPU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the history of BestBuy, I've NEVER been able to buy there just a
>>>>>> GPU.
>>>>>> I had to buy a video card with its GPU.
>>>>>
>>>>> The colloquial term Paul used was correct -- and your splitting of
>>>>> hairs has nothing to do with his discussion.
>>>>
>>>> Just what is YOUR colloquial definition of "GPU" that differs from the
>>>> technical definition of GPU?  Perhaps a video card, or a CPU with
>>>> integral video?  I *can* buy both of those at BestBuy.
>>>
>>> I thought it was obvious what Paul was talking about -- and I doubt you
>>> missed his meaning, since you are an intelligent person.
>>
>> You don't know, and why you avoid answering.
> 
> Isn't that nice -- I give you the benefit of the doubt, but
> you make silly accusations.
> 
> What I got from it is Paul was talking about discrete GPU interface
> cards, usually PCiE x16.  It didn't occur to me to consider a full CPU,
> with an iGPU included, from the context.
> 
> Of course, I could be wrong:  Let's ask Paul!
> 
> Paul, what did you mean when you said you couldn't go to Best Buy and
> buy a GPU?
> 

There is a lot of scalper activity (buying of cards to "corner"
immediate market, make a profit off the cards by selling on Ebay).

The question is, is there really sufficient production capacity to
flood the market with supply and stop that from happening ?

The real market is gamers. The cards are useless for AI work (on purpose,
the GDDR RAM has been made too small for AI).

The cards are relatively useless for Bitcoin mining (too slow). There isn't
really a reason that gaming cards should not be available
for consumption.

At one time, there was a lot of years-old "junk" in the market.
When COVID came along, the steady dribble method kind of dried up,
and the supply situation would be mostly new designs and new stock,
rather than all the old stuff we used to get. For example, I could
get a GT1030 for a number of years... if I wanted one because
my CPU did not have an iGPU inside it. You could use a GT1030
as a basic frame buffer (not suited to gaming, just enough
for a screen for the computer to use).

A lot of that material is gone. You might be able to get a
GT730 for example, which is yonks old, and driver support has
stopped. (At some point, even Linux driver updates will stop
supporting that card.)

My computer store had practically no low-end AMD cards in stock.
I think the video card companies may have stopped making them, or
maybe the amount of used "coin" cards (Ethereum) entering the market,
convinced the video card companies to stop making the 4MB ones.

I see some CPUs that were previously being scalped, appear to be
available at MSRP. This implies a supply situation there has been
solved. Making video cards takes time. Receiving batches of GPUs
is the start of the process. Then the pick and place and soldering
can take place. On a paper launch, there is no real stock. It might
take months, for all we know, for stocking levels to approach
demand levels. They normally "bank" these before the launch date,
and cards are sitting on a storage shelf at retail stores, waiting
for launch. Sometimes the card and the cardboard box, are stored
separately.

For the consumer then, you want to acquire your card at the MSRP
price. Or the MSRP price plus tariff. In other words, the "fair"
price. The scalper "unfair price", we seek to not reward scalpers,
to try to drive them away from doing this. If you are withholding
your purchase, because of excess profit-seeking behavior, the
root cause is still a lack of supply, to overload the scalpers
and bring pricing down to rational levels.

*******

OK, a quick scan right now, this very moment, indicates 9070
available at $1000, and out of stock for $800 units. Which
isn't bad, considering. It means there is stock, without
too much of a premium. Either the cheap models never shipped,
or people have bought up the cheap ones leaving the slightly
more expensive ones as being in stock.

If I were to go up the street to the BestBuy (with respect to that
store), then I would expect to see the $1000 cards there as well.

The 5090 on the other hand, all entries are marked "not available for order",
so it's not even "out of stock". Who knows where those have gone.
They likely never existed.

A year ago when I checked, BestBuy had two video card models,
mid-range pricing ($500-$600 at the time), and you could not
get a $200 card from them. Whereas the other store I use for
reference, yes, it had $200 cards, but they are available
in "batches", implying a non-normal acquisition pattern
(warranty cards normally used to satisfy warranty requests).
Sometimes companies sell off their warranty cards, when the warranty
is known to no longer be valid and the card is aged out.
That's how I got my 7900GT for $65, years after production
had ceased.

    Paul

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