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| From | Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c++ |
| Subject | Re: We have a new standard! |
| Date | 2025-01-01 22:43 +0200 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <vl49dp$2uedm$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <C++-20241227154547@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> <20250101182527.00004b2f@yahoo.com> |
On 01.01.2025 18:25, Michael S wrote: > On 27 Dec 2024 14:47:51 GMT > ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote: > >> According to one web site, C++23 (ISO/IEC 14882:2024) was released >> October 19, 2024. >> >> (Sorry if it was mentioned here then, and I just did not notice!) >> >> > > I tried std::print both with gcc 14.2 and with clang 19.1.6 under > Windows/msys2 (ucrt variant of x86-64 toolsests). It works as > advertised. > That is, an Windows 7 in default console windows it works as advertised > for as long as you had chosen a font that supports all languages that > you want to see. A default (Lucudia Console) was not good enough for my > mix of languages, but (less elegantly looking) Currier New did the job. > Supposedly, on newer versions of Windows it will work with default > fonts as well. > For those who want to try it: new version of compiler is not enough, > you have to install new C++ libraries (in my case, > mingw-w64-ucrt-x86_64-libc++). And don't forget to specify -lstdc++exp > during linking. > > Now to why, despite said above, I wouldn't use std::print() in its > current incarnation neither in production nor in hobby programs: > because compilation is too slow. ~4 seconds on the old home PC. I > didn't try on newer machines yet, but would be surprised if any of them > beats 2 seconds. Which is way above my threshold of inconvenience. Whenever I recompile my program, the company-mandated security software will check it against viruses (again!) for 5 seconds at least. I have (almost) got used to it... > > > Nevertheless, it is a step in right direction. > Introduction of format() already showed that C++ committee is aware of > of the fact that "Stroustrup streams" are crap not only relatively to > format/printing facilities of more modern languages, but relatively > to what we have in C as well. std::print() proves that committee is not > only aware of the fact, but finally willing to consider fixes. Half of the slowness of both in C printf() and C++ streams comes from the locale support, which is often unneeded and would just slow things down. If I have understood correctly, std::print() does not use locale by default, so has a chance to be much faster. If so, then definitely this is a step in the right direction.
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Re: We have a new standard! Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-01 18:25 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2025-01-01 16:33 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 09:41 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-02 08:06 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2025-01-02 09:23 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-02 13:51 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-01-02 14:07 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-02 17:54 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-01-02 17:15 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 13:58 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-01-03 10:13 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 11:22 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2025-01-04 10:17 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-04 12:31 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2025-01-04 11:34 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-04 14:01 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2025-01-04 15:49 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 17:42 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-02 15:20 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-03 13:43 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-03 08:11 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2025-01-03 16:33 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-03 10:50 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-01-03 16:09 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-03 11:53 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2025-01-03 17:10 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-03 12:14 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2025-01-04 10:13 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-03 18:17 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-03 13:58 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-04 12:39 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-04 09:56 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2025-01-03 21:46 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-03 21:06 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 18:32 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2025-01-04 20:08 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-04 14:46 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 07:14 +0800
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-01-06 08:38 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-07 08:40 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-01-07 14:04 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-08 14:52 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:31 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-01-09 08:39 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-07 21:32 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 17:49 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-03 17:12 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Sam <sam@email-scan.com> - 2025-01-03 11:56 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-02 17:35 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-02 17:57 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-02 19:55 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 13:40 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-03 09:42 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 13:38 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-01-03 10:09 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 11:19 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2025-01-04 10:15 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2025-01-01 22:43 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-01-02 07:56 +0100
Re: We have a new standard! Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-01-02 00:39 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2025-01-02 12:31 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-02 14:59 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2025-01-02 15:50 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-01-07 21:15 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2025-01-08 08:44 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-08 11:44 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-01-08 15:04 -0500
Re: We have a new standard! Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-01-14 08:49 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-01-14 09:12 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! Paavo Helde <eesnimi@osa.pri.ee> - 2025-01-14 19:53 +0200
Re: We have a new standard! "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 14:43 -0800
Re: We have a new standard! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-01-02 20:51 +0000
Re: We have a new standard! Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-02 16:47 +0200
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