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Re: For The Gamers

From RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: For The Gamers
Date 2024-12-24 09:39 +0000
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On 2024-12-23, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-23 à 01:21, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-22 à 00:30, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:36, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
>>>>>>>> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
>>>>>>>> games-industry/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
>>>>>>>> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
>>>>>>>> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
>>>>>>>> the industry will spring back?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
>>>>>>>> serious people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
>>>>>>> academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
>>>>>>> people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
>>>>>>> its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
>>>>>>> problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
>>>>>>> technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>>>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap)
>>>>>
>>>>> They do use Microsoft Office but there is no denying that it is superior
>>>>> to what's available to Linux. Perhaps WPS Office can compete at some
>>>>> level, but most people I know who use spreadsheet software say that
>>>>> LibreOffice is sorely lacking in the functionality they use daily.
>>>>> Additionally, they say that the functionality it does provide is nowhere
>>>>> near the level of Microsoft's.
>>>>
>>>> I'm denying it. I despise MicroCrap Office. Worthless bloatware.
>>>>
>>>> I used Calc in OpenOffice at work before LibreOffice ever existed. For my
>>>> purposes it worked fine. Spreadsheets are overused for data purposes anyhow.
>>>> If you want a database use a database software.
>>>
>>> Your opinion on spreadsheets and the software used to make them won't
>>> sway people like my wife who calculates financial risk and needs to
>>> report it to the investors. For people like her, Calc is not even up for
>>> consideration because Microsoft's software is robust and has been
>>> offering reliable service for decades. There were stronger competitors
>>> to Excel than Calc in the past, competitors that had already made lots
>>> of headway, and they too were left in the dust. It's not all because of
>>> "shady business practises" either.
>> 
>> I don't think "robustness" has anything to do with it. I think it comes down
>> to what the others expect. It's basically a monopoly product and, as I
>> mentioned with Windows, monopolies have an inertia loop that's hard for
>> businesses to exit from. It has nothing to do with the supposed "quality" of
>> the product — it has everything to do with "this is what we're used to
>> using."
>
> Well, I can tell you that there are certain advanced features people 
> need in Microsoft Office which seem to be unavailable to LibreOffice 
> users. Of course, they might just be somewhere else in the open suite, 
> like when I received a document with forms in .DOCX and had someone here 
> convert it to the equivalent in .ODT. At the same time, I don't use any 
> of the advanced features so LibreOffice has always been more than enough 
> for me. The only reason I use Microsoft's suite is because I got a 
> license for cheap. I can also use the 365 license I get from work for 
> free. Since I routinely receive documents from them to fill out, I have 
> no proper use for Libre.

I guess I've never had any use for these advanced features. All I know is 
that, when we would get Word Documents at the print shop, we had a heck of a 
time cleaning them up for Desk Top Application. Lot of hidden code. 

>> In my opinion M$ Office is bloated crapware that tries to "think" for you.
>> But I was only occasionally forced to use it so I never got in stuck in the
>> "inertia loop."
>
> I would extend that to Windows itself too. The way it has implemented AI 
> makes it clear that they don't want you thinking. Of course, there are 
> certain places where I appreciate the AI like in Brave Search or Bing 
> Search. There, if there is a certain technological question like what is 
> the benefit of one monitor over another, the engine quickly scours the 
> web for information and summarizes the data for me. That is much easier 
> than navigating to a bunch of websites which cannon a series of ads at me.

I turn off AI in my searches. I don't know about Brave or Bing, but in 
Firefox you just add the udm14 add-on and AI results are gone in Google. 

>> My wife uses Power Point. She originally used it because a template she
>> purchased only worked with Power Point. Now she's used to using it, so
>> she'll probably keep using it as long as she needs to prepare classes. Just
>> the way it works. People use what they're used to using. Inertia.
>> 
>> That's why so many still use the inferior Microsoft Windows crap OS.
>
> I can't argue that habit plays a big part in what people choose to use. 
> At the same time, that's why I usually load Linux Mint for whatever user 
> I help: it's not that unfamiliar.

Linux Mint is often suggested for those moving from Windows because it does 
work similarly (at least at the Desktop level). I'm sure that design is not 
by accident.

-- 
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy 
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.”  —J.R.R. Tolkien

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For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-21 19:02 +0000
  Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 14:42 -0500
    Re: For The Gamers Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-21 20:43 +0000
      Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-21 22:09 +0000
        Re: For The Gamers Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2024-12-21 22:20 +0000
          Re: For The Gamers Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 17:25 -0500
            Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-22 10:05 +0000
          Re: For The Gamers DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-21 23:08 -0500
      Re: For The Gamers Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 19:20 -0600
      Re: For The Gamers DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2024-12-21 22:45 -0500
      Re: For The Gamers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-22 08:30 -0500
      Re: For The Gamers DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-07 22:05 -0500
        Re: For The Gamers Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 22:21 -0500
        Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-08 09:12 -0500
          Re: For The Gamers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-09 07:17 -0600
            Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-09 10:39 -0500
              Re: For The Gamers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-11 08:15 -0600
                Re: For The Gamers Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-01-11 18:34 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-11 19:31 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-01-11 19:51 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-11 21:35 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-11 17:47 -0600
                Re: For The Gamers pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-12 01:16 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 01:36 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-12 11:12 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 20:39 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-11 19:53 -0600
                Re: For The Gamers Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-12 13:35 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-12 15:58 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Farley Flud <fflud@gnu.rocks> - 2025-01-12 16:21 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-01-12 09:08 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-12 09:48 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-12 16:09 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-11 16:44 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 13:40 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-11 16:50 -0600
                Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-01-11 17:58 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 01:51 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-12 06:31 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-11 21:04 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-12 07:35 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-12 13:05 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> - 2025-01-12 09:43 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-01-12 16:01 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-12 11:36 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-12 20:32 +0000
    Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 22:36 +0000
      Re: For The Gamers snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-12-21 22:48 +0000
        Re: For The Gamers Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 18:05 -0500
        Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-22 05:25 +0000
          Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-22 06:06 +0000
            Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 07:39 -0500
              Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:30 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-23 08:37 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 09:17 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 11:55 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 09:44 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-24 19:14 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-25 06:53 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-27 17:35 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-27 17:54 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 02:42 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-27 22:18 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 07:15 +0000
      Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 18:18 -0500
        Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-22 05:30 +0000
          Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-22 06:03 +0000
            Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-22 08:33 +0000
              Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-22 09:39 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:00 +0000
          Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 07:22 -0500
            Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:21 +0000
              Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 11:51 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 09:39 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-24 19:00 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-27 17:51 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 02:41 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-27 22:05 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 07:14 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 08:28 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 07:45 +0000
                Re: For The Gamers Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:27 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:23 +0000
    Re: For The Gamers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-21 18:50 -0600
      Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 07:14 -0500
        Re: For The Gamers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-22 10:40 -0600
          Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 11:54 -0500
            Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:12 +0000
          Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:11 +0000
            Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 11:43 -0500
        Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:10 +0000
          Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 11:42 -0500
        Re: For The Gamers -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-23 06:29 -0500
          Re: For The Gamers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-23 07:51 -0500
            Re: For The Gamers -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-23 19:18 -0500
  Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 22:31 +0000
  Re: For The Gamers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-21 23:35 +0000
    Re: For The Gamers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-21 18:52 -0600
    Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-22 10:09 +0000
      Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 07:42 -0500
        Re: For The Gamers Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2024-12-22 12:57 +0000
        Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 06:04 +0000
          Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-23 08:28 +0000
            Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 12:01 -0500
          Re: For The Gamers CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 11:38 -0500
            Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 09:31 +0000
              Re: For The Gamers rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-24 19:04 +0000
              Re: For The Gamers Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-27 17:47 -0500
                Re: For The Gamers RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 02:27 +0000

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