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Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year

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On 2024-12-11 17:13:54 +0000, Andrew said:

> David Yurman wrote on Wed, 11 Dec 2024 07:51:04 +0100 (CET) :
> 
>> Beginning on Jan. 1, 2025, Colorado drivers will no longer be allowed to use
>> a mobile electronic device while driving unless they use it via hands-free
>> accessories.
> 
> Notwithstanding the police and fire vehicles have tons of electronics in
> them and they're not hands free, the fact that most people can't comprehend
> (because they simply guess at everything is there is no reliable scientific
> evidence that the use of cellphones in the USA in vehicles had any effect
> whatsoever (up or down) on the reliably reported accident rate over the
> period before cellphone ownership percentages skyrocketed, during the
> period where cellphone ownership percentages went from 0% to nearly 100%,
> and afterward, to today.
> 
> The accident rate, as reported by the US Census Bureau, which has been
> reporting these figures accurately since the 1920's, shows no effect.
> 
> Actually, the accident rate has been slowly trending downward, but that was
> happening before, during the rise in ownership, and after the plateau.
> 
> Nobody can find a single cite on the entire Internet showing US accident
> rates rising from before, to during and after cellphones existed.
> 
> The *only* people claiming it did make money out of creating the laws.
> 1. Lawyers
> 2. Police
> 3. Insurance
> 
> Nobody on this newsgroup has ever found a reliable cite showing the
> accident rate in the USA rising in accord with cellphone ownership.
> 
> All they can find is lawyers, police and insurance companies saying it.
> But those three entities have a reason to skew numbers for money.
> 
> If you look at the government US Census Bureau figures, there are blips
> here and there (since accident rates depend on many factors), but there is
> zero evidence of the rise that the lawyers, police & insurance claim.
> 
> And for all the morons out there who love to claim "absence of evidence is
> not evidence of absence", then simply show evidence of these accidents that
> you religiously feel must exist simply because you want them to exist.

I saw in my hometown paper yesterday the sister of an erstwhile friend 
crashed her Mercedes into two other cars at a stoplight, causing a 
chain reaction and sending herself and others to the hospital. I'm 
willing to bet she was on the phone.

Anecdotal but I've seen enough anecdotes to believe these laws are needed.

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Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year David Yurman <spamming@your.tv> - 2024-12-11 07:51 +0100
  Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-11 17:13 +0000
    Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2024-12-11 13:38 -0600
      Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-11 20:52 +0000
        Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-11 16:11 -0500
          Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-12 04:11 +0000
            Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-12 07:28 -0500
              Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-12 21:14 +0000
          Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-12 09:09 -0600
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                Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-12 21:14 +0000
                Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2024-12-13 11:00 -0600
                Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-13 18:34 +0000
            Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Klaus Schadenfreude <katt@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 17:27 -0800
              Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year MGMT 1B <mgmt1b@ucl.a> - 2024-12-18 01:59 -0800
              Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Rudy Canoza <r�.@hendrie.con> - 2024-12-18 08:08 -0800
        Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2024-12-11 17:17 -0600
          Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-12 04:09 +0000
            Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-12-11 20:11 -0800
    Re: Colorado hands-free driving law taking effect in the new year Andrew <andys@nospam.com> - 2024-12-12 05:38 +0000
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