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| From | Andrew <andys@nospam.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, alt.privacy |
| Subject | Re: A Useful Android Advantage: GPS Spoofing. |
| Date | 2024-12-02 19:08 +0000 |
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Cross-posted to 3 groups.
AJL wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 18:13:34 -0000 (UTC) :
> On 12/2/24 10:36 AM, Andrew wrote:
>>AJL wrote on Mon, 2 Dec 2024 16:24:51 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>>> GPS spoofing can also be a safety thing for victims of abuse that have
>>>>> fled an abusive spouse and that want to prevent tracking.
>>>
>>> How many abused spouses would even have a clue on how to set that up?
>>
>>How many people with plumbing repairs hire a plumber to do the dirty work?
>
> Me. But all the work is done safely and legally.
Rest assured, living in the boonies myself, I do all my well pump and
septic work, I take care of my own pool, I cut down trees to burn for
firewood myself, I trench for my (off-grid) guerrilla solar setup, I do my
own electrical work, and plumbing repairs, I refill my carbon dioxide
sodastream canisters at home, I refill my one pound propane tanks from my
20 pounders which themselves are filled from my thousand-gallon propane
tank, I refill the vehicles with gasoline myself at home, my cars are 30
years old and I do all the maintenance & repairs, including changing the
tires when they're worn and balancing them at home, etc.
But my point was that the fact you "can" be tracked is more important than
if the person who wants to track you "knows how" to do it - since they can
always hire someone to do that dirty work for them.
Never seen an Alfred Hitchcock movie? :)
(It's the butler. I swear!).
>>All the "abusive spouse" needs to do is hire someone to track his/her
>>spouse, so the mere fact that they 'can be tracked' is the problem set.
>
> Hire someone to track a spouse? Bad idea on both legal and criminal grounds.
If someone is going to track a spouse, I doubt they care if it's legal or
not, but I even doubt whether or not it's illegal if no court order is
involved. I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. Neither are you I presume.
I suspect it's perfectly legal to "track a spouse" as long as you don't
break a law (e.g., violating a court order) in doing so.
But you're missing the point completely.
The privacy hole is that you "can" be tracked. Not that you "are" tracked,
since you will likely never know if you're actually being tracked.
>>>>Only, if that "abusive spouse" knows how to do the tracking. Without
>>>>permission no one can just track others people phones. And if the
>>>>"abusive spouse" works at a telecommunication provider he may have the
>>>>location without any GPS at all, since the mobile network base stations
>>>>always know what devices are near them.
>>>
>>> My wife's iPhone is easy to track from any browser of any device. For
>>> example I sometimes use this Amazon Fire tablet I'm posting with to check
>>> on her location when she's late getting home. Course I do have the account
>>> password since I've always controlled the family electronics. And I suspect
>>> an abusive spouse could easily do the same thing, no fancy-dancy
>>> electronics or tracking experience needed...
>>
>>Anyone with physical access to any computing device can add spyware to it.
>>Anyone with money can hire someone to add that spyware even without access.
>
> Hire someone to mess with my computer? Bad idea on security grounds.
You probably don't know anything about military theory but it's a classic
premise that you guard against what they "can" do; not what you think
they'll do.
Being an historian at heart, I've seen numerous times in history from the
dawn of antiquity that countries floundered who "thought" the enemy
couldn't get them and the enemy, instead, did what they "could" do - not
what they thought they would do.
Take, for example, the reason the Bull Thistle is the official flower for
Ireland, or the reason Hannibal lost an eye in Italy but defeated Scipio.
You guard against what they "can" do; not what you "think" they will do.
And they can track you (if you don't guard against it).
>>The problem set is that you "can" be tracked; not that it takes knowledge
>>to do it, which is a reason Apple tracking was reviled earlier this year.
>
> Of course. My granddaughter always tracks her kids. Loves the capability.
>
>> *Apple Geolocation API Exposes Wi-Fi Access Points Worldwide*
>> <https://www.darkreading.com/endpoint-security/apple-geolocation-api-exposes-wi-fi-access-points-worldwide>
When my kids went to college, admittedly a long time ago, I added Specter
tracking software to their computers so I would know if they were in
trouble, but I never used it so I didn't bother when they had grandkids.
It's so easy to add a keylogger to any computing device, it's not funny.
Anyone with physical access can do anything to most computers.
That's why you guard against what people "can" do; not what you think they
will do. It's a basic self defense strategy since the dawn of time.
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