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Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location)

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Andy Burns wrote on Mon, 28 Oct 2024 09:08:01 +0000 :

>> I just have to figure out HOW to tell what the heck they're spoofing.
> 
> I doubt anything goes over the wire to be wiresharked, it's a local API 
> on the phone.
> 
> There's sample code on github/stack overflow etc, or just use an 
> existing mock app?

I realize I told Jeff Liebermann a slight mistruth when I said in the post
that Andy is responding to...

  "I just have to figure out HOW to tell what the heck they're spoofing.
   Maybe WireShark, Netstumbler, WiGle, etc., might tell me. Dunno.

   You're the Wi-Fi expert who taught me everything I know, way back in the
   day when I was trying to spoof my MAC address (now the AP MAC addresses 
   are spoofed by default on iOS and Android).

   You told me, long ago, that you can't spoof the ROUTER's WAN-facing MAC
   address though - which - unfortunately - is the one we'd want to spoof!"

Since this thread wasn't about randomizing a MAC address, I didn't notice
that what I said above is slightly wrong in "what" MAC address is
randomized.

To be clear on the current state of Android MAC address randomization:

1. The home router's outward-facing (WAN) MAC address is NOT randomized
   (unless the router software allows that - which I don't know about).

2. What's randomized by default now is the mobile device MAC address
   that connects to the router's LAN-facing access point. This default
   mobile device (iOS & Android) randomization is per access point.

3. For Android only in Developer options" is another privacy setting 
   to randomize #2 per connection (so it changes every time you connect).

When Jeff Liebermann and I last spoke about MAC randomization (oh, maybe
ten or fifteen years ago or so), this default randomization didn't exist.

Now both iOS & Android do MAC randomization (per AP) by default.

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Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-26 05:47 +0000
  Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-26 09:35 +0100
    Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-26 14:28 +0000
  Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-10-26 10:27 -0500
    Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-26 21:28 +0000
      Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-10-26 21:06 -0500
        Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-27 04:22 +0000
        Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-27 09:25 +0000
          Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-27 13:16 +0000
            Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-27 15:23 +0000
            Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-27 15:33 +0000
            Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2024-10-27 12:02 -0700
              Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-27 20:19 +0000
                Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-27 21:45 +0000
                Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-28 09:11 +0000
                Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-28 15:00 +0000
                Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-28 15:45 +0000
                Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-29 01:44 +0000
              Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-27 22:34 +0000
                Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2024-10-28 09:08 +0000
                Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-30 14:43 +0000
          Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-10-27 11:10 -0500
  Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-29 02:39 +0000
    Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2024-10-29 10:17 -0700
      Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-10-30 11:39 +0100
        Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Andrews <andrews@spam.net> - 2024-10-30 13:55 +0000
          Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-10-31 20:36 +0100
        Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2024-10-30 11:06 -0700
  Re: Was Google Location Accuracy (now is How to Spoof Wi-Fi Location) Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-10-29 16:46 +0100

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