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Re: A long rant on Debian 9

From "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: A long rant on Debian 9
Date 2018-05-08 16:00 +0200
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Hi,

Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
> Only thing my poor brain can come up with is integrity of the
> downloaded ISO file.

That would be quite a peculiar transport damage.
On the other hand, malicious alteration would probably avoid such obvious
deviations from usual behavior.


Greg Wooledge wrote:
> The installer can be booted in either Legacy or UEFI mode.  Perhaps
> the menus work differently between those two?

This is more plausible. After all the i386 and amd64 ISOs have two different
bootloaders with own menu configuration files each.
(ISOLINUX on Legacy BIOS, GRUB2 on EFI in non-Legacy mode.)

But i guess that the ISOs got tested with both firmwares at least when
Debian 9 was new.


So progress will probably only be made if some fearless person tries to
replay the situation. (Fearless, because software can smell if you are
out of courage or patience.)

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/05/msg00137.html
says:
  "Thinkpad x40", "wifi", "Intel ipw2200 hardware"
Implicitely i read "amd64" as architecture of the netinst ISO.


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More for the archive than for this thread:

> https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

This should be accompanied by
  https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
and some glue text.

I recently wrote an example at
  https://wiki.debian.org/JigdoOnLive#Verify_the_Debian_Live_download


> https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-verify-an-authenticity-of-downloaded-debian-i
so-images

This should put more emphasis on comparing the "Primary key fingerprint"
with those listed on
  https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

A while ago i read about successful spoofing by keys which claimed to
be from trusted programmers. Cryptography was not involved. Only human
credulity.


> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/138603/how-to-verify-debian-iso-integrity

This is better in the aspect of fingerprints. (I think the "web of trust"
proposal is not possible with the Debian CD keys. But i can be wrong easily.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

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A long rant on Debian 9 John <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-06 23:20 +0200
  Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Forest Dean Feighner <forest.feighner@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 23:40 +0200
  Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-07 00:20 +0200
    Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-07 05:40 +0200
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        Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-05-07 17:40 +0200
          Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-07 23:50 +0200
            Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-08 00:10 +0200
              Re: A long rant on Debian 9 jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 18:00 +0200
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            Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Curt <curty@free.fr> - 2018-05-08 09:50 +0200
              Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 14:00 +0200
                Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-05-08 14:40 +0200
                Re: A long rant on Debian 9 "Thomas Schmitt" <scdbackup@gmx.net> - 2018-05-08 16:00 +0200
                Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-08 21:00 +0200
            Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-05-08 16:00 +0200
              Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-05-08 16:10 +0200
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      Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 14:20 +0200
        Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2018-05-07 16:50 +0200
        Re: A long rant on Debian 9 jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 16:50 +0200
          Re: A long rant on Debian 9 bw <bwtnguy@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-07 17:10 +0200
          Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 18:00 +0200
      Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Kenneth Parker <sea7kenp@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:30 +0200
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            Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-08 00:40 +0200
              Re: minimal installation (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 01:20 +0200
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                Re: minimal installation Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-13 00:30 +0200
            Re: minimal installation Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-08 02:00 +0200
              Re: minimal installation Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 21:00 +0200
          Re: minimal installation Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-08 00:30 +0200
            Re: minimal installation Dan Norton <dnorton@mindspring.com> - 2018-05-08 01:40 +0200
  Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Rick Thomas <rbthomas@pobox.com> - 2018-05-07 01:10 +0200
  Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Greg Wooledge <wooledg@eeg.ccf.org> - 2018-05-07 15:10 +0200
    Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> - 2018-05-07 15:40 +0200
    Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Richard Owlett <rowlett@cloud85.net> - 2018-05-07 16:00 +0200
      Re: A long rant on Debian 9 jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 19:20 +0200
        Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-07 20:20 +0200
          Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 22:40 +0200
          Re: A long rant on Debian 9 jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 15:40 +0200
            Re: 3-button trackpoint configuration (was: A long rant on Debian 9) Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2018-05-08 16:10 +0200
            Re: A long rant on Debian 9 Brian <ad44@cityscape.co.uk> - 2018-05-08 21:20 +0200

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