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Re: Conflict escalation and discipline

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Don Armstrong writes ("Re: Conflict escalation and discipline"):
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > But that's my point: Do you want to solve that by adding... Yet
> > another contact point?
> 
> Would it be OK if leader@ stayed the contact point, but leader@ had a
> pool of individuals who were willing to mediate in such a case? [Perhaps
> with secretary@ or the CTTE chair as the backup in case leader@ was
> involved?]
> 
> Such individuals would have the ability and knowledge to involve the
> existing levers of power (TC, DAM, leader@, anti-harassment etc.) if
> escalation was required.

There are several things wrong with this suggestion IMO:

1. It depends on the DPL selecting a suitable delegate for each
   incoming enquiry.  At best, with a standing panel, this is makework
   and an opportunity for things to get dropped.  At worst it is
   another way for an escalation of bad behaviour to be blocked.

2. You are suggesting mediation.  Mediation is certainly *one* part of
   what is needed, but also *conciliation* and *arbitration*.
   Generally I am not a fan of mediation because it does not look at
   the rights and wrongs behind an issue; so it reinforces the
   existing power structures.

3. Complaintants should not be expected to repeatedly explain/justify
   their views to a succession of different
   teams/officeholders/whatever.

4. Your proposed people seem to lack real authority; and also public
   legitimacy.  The lack of authority/legitimacy is a problem because
   (i) awkard disputants will just say the appointee is wrong
   (ii) if escalation is required, see (3).

5. Each individual dispute should be dealt with by more than one
   person.  Because otherwise escalation to enforcement action will
   inevitably have to violate (3), since there are some serious steps
   which might be necessary for which a single person's recommendation
   would be clearly insufficient; and even for less serious steps,
   collective rather than individual judgement is probably better.

6. You mention `anti-harassment' as a `lever of power" but of course
   anti-harassment have no inherent authority.

IMO the antiharassment team's members would be a good starting point
for the members of my proposed new structure.  But the new structure
needs to relate entirely differently to our existing institutions.

I wonder if I should propose a GR.  That would provide a way of
testing whether my ideas (which do seem controversial) are more widely
held, and also if the GR passes, give clear legitimacy to the new
team.

Ian.

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Conflict escalation and discipline Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-17 14:40 +0200
  Re: Conflict escalation and discipline "Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)" <jcc@debian.org> - 2018-04-17 15:30 +0200
    Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-17 16:00 +0200
  Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2018-04-17 20:00 +0200
    Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2018-04-17 20:20 +0200
      Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-17 22:30 +0200
        Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-18 14:00 +0200
          Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi> - 2018-04-18 15:10 +0200
            Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:50 +0200
              Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Cindy-Sue Causey <butterflybytes@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 16:40 +0200
            Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-18 17:00 +0200
              Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Michael Stone <mstone@debian.org> - 2018-04-18 17:00 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline, name Geert Stappers <stappers@stappers.nl> - 2018-04-18 18:00 +0200
              Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi> - 2018-04-18 17:00 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-18 18:20 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2018-04-18 18:30 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi> - 2018-04-18 18:30 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2018-04-18 21:30 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2018-04-19 01:50 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2018-04-19 17:10 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2018-04-19 10:50 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Martín Ferrari <tincho@tincho.org> - 2018-04-20 03:50 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2018-04-18 18:30 +0200
              Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> - 2018-04-19 09:50 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-04-19 12:10 +0200
            Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2018-04-18 18:10 +0200
              Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Laura Arjona Reina <larjona@debian.org> - 2018-04-18 18:40 +0200
              Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-18 19:30 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2018-04-18 21:50 +0200
                Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2018-04-19 22:30 +0200
            Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2018-04-18 21:10 +0200
          Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Martín Ferrari <tincho@tincho.org> - 2018-04-18 15:10 +0200
            Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-04-18 22:30 +0200
          Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2018-04-18 18:20 +0200
    Re: Conflict escalation and discipline "Chris Lamb " <lamby@debian.org> - 2018-04-17 20:20 +0200
      Re: Conflict escalation and discipline Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-04-18 13:40 +0200

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