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Re: What difficultly level do you play one?

From JAB <noway@nochance.com>
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Subject Re: What difficultly level do you play one?
Date 2024-07-17 09:28 +0100
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On 15/07/2024 20:43, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> it didn't help when D&D started getting ported to computers. Because
> early computers were GREAT with the number crunching, but were pretty
> poor with the story and characters. Computer RPGs/still/  struggle
> with making a game where the combat isn't the most dominant feature.
> Our beloved 8-bits were far inferior machines; they hadn't a chance in
> capturing what made table-top gaming such a fascinating hobby. So
> those early RPGs - most of which were either licensed D&D games or
> very closely based upon it- were little more than brain-dead combat
> simulators and loot collectors. Which in turn reinforced the idea that
> was all that D&D really was.

I knew you could get it back to video games! I think you just have to 
have different expectations of CRPG's from TT RPG's because, as you say, 
computers just aren't very good at the bit that makes the later stand 
out for other TT games.

It's not just the overall flexibility but CRPG's aren't very good at 
encouraging you to play in character but instead play a version of 
yourself*. The example I normal use is the classic trope of the old 
crying woman who has lost here husband or child. You end up doing the 
quest not because that what's your character would do but instead 
because you know you'll get a bauble at the end of it and you get to do 
something. It's just horribly binary.

Problem the best version I've played is Disco Elysium as it doesn't have 
that feeling of pass = good, fail = bad (and probably a reload), instead 
it's how the story advances. Even then you can't, as yet, get to the 
stage where a GM invents things on the fly or thinks that's not how the 
story is supposed to advance at all but I'll go with it. Oh you want to 
visit a cafe and ask around for information even though the scenario 
doesn't have one. Ok here's one and we'll have a waitress who is the 
sister of a nurse who used to work at the sanatorium. Now you want to 
visit her yet again, oh the cultists are monitoring your activities and 
decide they can work the fake suicide also into her brutal murder.

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What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-07 10:23 +0100
  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-07 08:02 -0400
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-07 13:50 +0000
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 10:19 -0400
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-07 12:51 -0500
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-08 21:26 +0100
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 08:51 -0400
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-15 12:54 +0100
  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-07 08:15 -0700
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-07 13:28 -0400
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-07 14:17 -0400
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Xocyll <Xocyll@gmx.com> - 2024-07-08 10:33 -0400
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-08 15:41 -0400
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 08:55 -0400
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 08:24 -0700
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-24 17:54 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-24 19:01 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-29 01:20 +0000
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-29 09:14 -0400
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-08 21:38 +0100
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 06:14 -0500
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 09:04 -0400
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 17:29 -0400
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-08 21:46 +0100
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-09 12:27 -0400
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-10 09:28 +0100
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 06:22 -0500
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-10 17:40 -0400
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-11 09:31 +0100
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-11 11:23 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-13 09:45 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-13 11:43 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-13 09:02 -0700
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-15 10:22 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-14 10:15 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-14 14:15 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-14 13:24 -0700
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-14 16:35 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-15 12:51 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-15 07:47 -0700
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-15 10:39 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-19 10:07 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-19 14:50 +0000
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-08-01 12:09 +0300
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-08-01 12:58 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-15 11:48 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-15 12:28 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-15 10:31 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-19 10:14 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-15 10:19 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-15 15:43 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-15 15:10 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-16 08:47 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-16 12:50 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-16 15:49 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-16 18:24 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-17 16:00 +0000
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-17 12:47 -0500
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-19 14:50 +0000
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-17 09:28 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-17 11:14 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-18 09:33 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 08:52 -0700
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-24 21:25 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2024-07-24 21:48 -0700
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? JAB <noway@nochance.com> - 2024-07-25 08:39 +0100
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-17 10:24 -0500
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 08:36 -0700
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 06:15 -0500
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 09:17 -0400
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Ross Ridge) - 2024-07-10 14:43 +0000
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 12:28 -0400
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 09:12 -0400
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:50 +0000
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 12:34 -0400
              Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 16:30 +0000
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-13 14:09 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-13 21:20 +0000
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-14 07:54 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-14 16:40 +0000
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-14 14:23 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-16 15:10 +0000
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-16 13:07 -0400
                Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-17 15:50 +0000
        Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 08:30 -0700
          Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> - 2024-07-24 21:35 -0400
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-25 06:24 -0700
            Re: What difficultly level do you play one? rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Ross Ridge) - 2024-07-25 14:22 +0000
  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-07 08:48 -0700
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-10 06:24 -0500
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-07-10 13:50 +0000
      Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Justisaur <justisaur@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-24 09:06 -0700
  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-07-07 20:12 +0000
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    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Mike S. <Mike_S@nowhere.com> - 2024-07-10 09:19 -0400
  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zaghadka <zaghadka@hotmail.com> - 2024-07-09 19:00 -0500
  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? rridge@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Ross Ridge) - 2024-07-10 14:27 +0000
  Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2024-07-14 23:35 +0300
    Re: What difficultly level do you play one? Zersterer <nochsfentor@yahoo.com> - 2024-07-14 16:35 -0500

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