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Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles

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On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 01:52:54PM +0200, Christian Seiler wrote:
> Am 2017-08-30 09:01, schrieb Marc Haber:
> > On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 04:07:45PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
> > wrote:
> > > The **public** portion of *every* key (master and all subkeys) go into
> > > the public keyrings and also in the Debian keyring.  gnupg will handle
> > > this automatically if you use "--export" (do *NOT* confuse with a
> > > different export option that is for private keys).
> > 
> > So it is probably a bad idea / impossible (?) to have a dedicated
> > signing-only key used for Debian that guared more closely than the
> > "regular every-day" key?
> 
> Well, you could create a completely separate key pair (with a separate
> master key) for Debian purposes only.

That would double the effort of obtaining signatures and also double the
burden on my signers. Doesnt scale.

> > People keep mentioning to store the private key on a LUKS-encrypted
> > device. Why? Is the private key encryption that happens inside GnuPG
> > itself when you protect your private key with a passphrase not
> > sufficient?
> 
> Defense in depth. First of all, it's not immediately clear that the
> media I keep my private key on is actually the one that contains my
> private key (_all_ external media I have at home is LUKS encrypted,
> except for a couple of USB sticks I use to share data with other
> people),

That sounds like security-by-obscurity.

>and secondly I use a different passphrase for LUKS as
> compared to the private key.

That, of course, goes without saying.

> Basically, it's an added level of paranoia.

Usually I am the one who is paranoid, that's why I asked.

> However, you _could_ achieve that if you export the private key
> manually and accidentally upload that via the web interface that
> some keyservers provide. ;-) They'll probably reject the upload
> (because it's not a public key), but who knows where that'll be
> logged...

yes, but that's truely advanced stupidity. I hope that I am not capable
of that.

> To be fair: SSH's naming convention for files is not the easiest
> to understand for new users. Using ${filename} for the private key
> and ${filename}.pub for the public key does not make it obvious
> that they need to keep ${filename} private. Had they used
> ${filename}.secret for the private key this might have reduced
> such occurrences.

agreed.

Greetings
Marc

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wanted: educate us please on key dongles Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2017-08-02 22:20 +0200
  Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Zlatan Todoric <zlatan@riseup.net> - 2017-08-02 22:40 +0200
  Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-02 22:50 +0200
  Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Wouter Verhelst <w@uter.be> - 2017-08-03 11:30 +0200
  Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2017-08-03 11:30 +0200
  Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Daniel Pocock <daniel@pocock.pro> - 2017-08-03 13:40 +0200
  Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Víctor Cuadrado Juan <me@viccuad.me> - 2017-08-03 19:10 +0200
  Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li> - 2017-08-11 15:20 +0200
    Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-11 17:30 +0200
      Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-11 19:30 +0200
        Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-11 19:50 +0200
    Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-11 19:10 +0200
      Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li> - 2017-08-11 19:30 +0200
        Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-11 22:00 +0200
          Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li> - 2017-08-12 00:00 +0200
    Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-29 19:40 +0200
      Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-29 20:00 +0200
      Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li> - 2017-08-30 11:10 +0200
        Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-30 12:20 +0200
          Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Adam Borowski <kilobyte@angband.pl> - 2017-08-30 12:50 +0200
            Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-30 13:00 +0200
              Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2017-08-30 13:20 +0200
                Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-30 15:00 +0200
              Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-30 13:20 +0200
              Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Jonathan McDowell <noodles@earth.li> - 2017-08-30 13:20 +0200
              Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Ian Campbell <ijc@debian.org> - 2017-08-30 17:20 +0200
        Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Alexander Zangerl <az+debmnt@snafu.priv.at> - 2017-08-31 00:40 +0200
    Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-29 20:10 +0200
      Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-08-29 21:10 +0200
        Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-30 09:10 +0200
          Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-30 14:00 +0200
            Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-30 14:50 +0200
              Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-30 17:20 +0200
            Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-09-22 22:10 +0200
          Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi> - 2017-08-30 14:10 +0200
          Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-31 07:10 +0200
  Re: wanted: ... key dongles GNUK is available Osamu Aoki <osamu@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 17:00 +0200
    Re: wanted: ... key dongles GNUK is available Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-29 19:50 +0200
  [summary] Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2017-09-08 15:20 +0200
    Re: [summary] Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Sotirios Vrachas <sotirios@vrachas.com> - 2017-09-09 22:20 +0200
      Re: [summary] Re: wanted: educate us please on key dongles Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2017-09-10 06:00 +0200

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