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Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...

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On 11/19/2023 9:18 AM, Mike Terry wrote:
> On 19/11/2023 11:23, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> The good news: The spam problem (both the so-called "Thai spam" and the
>> "mushroom spam") is gone from clc and clc++, because Google has (for
>> reasons of its own) banned both groups.  What's funny about this is that
>> normally people on these groups would be p*ssed off at Google for banning
>> them, but in this instance, it is a happy coincidence that it stops the
>> spam.  So, we're good with it.
>>
>> The bad news is that it is still alive and well in many of the other
>> groups.  Right now, comp.editors is getting slammed - about 1 spam per
>> minute, 24/7.
>>
>> So, the question becomes, is there any way we can get Google to ban all
>> newsgroups, not just these 2?
>>
> 
> I don't see disconnection from GG as a Good Thing in the long term.  
> Many groups have the core of their followers using GG, and how many will 
> be persuaded to migrate to Usenet?  But the real problem as I see it is 
> for long term survival groups need a stream of NEW users, and I'd guess 
> close to 100% of those come via GG, and hopefully they're persuaded 
> later by regulars of the advantages of Usenet.
> 
> When I started using the internet my ISP provided the connection 
> obviously, and a document explaining how to configure my computer to 
> connect to their email and USENET servers.  So email, Usenet, and WWW 
> were the 3 motivations for "getting the internet", and newsgroups were 
> the place you went for general discussion.  Those days are long gone, 
> and whilst my current ISP still has a Usenet service (subcontracted to 
> Giganews) there's absolutely no mention of it in their advertising, 
> legal contracts, etc. and you have to hunt hard, knowing what you're 
> looking for, to find any help pages for it.  So no new internet users 
> are going to think "Right, now how do I get a Usenet client, and where's 
> my Usenet server?!"  If they eventually find Usenet it will likely be 
> via GG.
> 
> Disconnection from GG will cut off the supply of new users - a kind of 
> "kiss of death" for the long term health of the group.  Groups with an 
> essentially static membership could obviously continue as they are for 
> years, dieing slowly as their members age and finally depart the group.  
> It's like these groups are slowly dieing anyway, so another nail in the 
> coffin for long-term Usenet health is hardly a problem - they want the 
> SPAM gone NOW...
> 
> It would be better long term if Google could apply some better SPAM 
> filtering technology, perhaps leveraging all their clever AI 
> technology?, to block the spam entering the system in the first place.  
[...]

I wonder if somebody writes this method A simply trumps method B. The AI 
says ahhh shit, trump, and blocks the message? lol.

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(comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-11-19 11:23 +0000
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2023-11-19 17:18 +0000
    Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 11:51 -0800
    Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-20 08:42 +0100
      Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Kaz Kylheku <864-117-4973@kylheku.com> - 2023-11-20 07:56 +0000
        Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-20 13:33 +0100
          Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2023-11-20 18:06 +0000
            Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-20 21:01 +0100
          Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2023-11-20 20:03 -0500
          Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-11-21 09:30 +0000
            Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2023-11-21 16:47 +0100
              Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2023-11-21 16:40 +0000
                Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2023-11-21 11:49 -0500
                Re: advantage of a web  interface (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-11-21 22:03 +0200
                Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-11-21 16:49 +0000
                Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-11-21 22:23 +0200
              Re: Response to "David Brown" Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2023-11-21 12:09 -0800
              Re: Response to "David Brown" (Was: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem...) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2023-11-21 22:16 +0200
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 12:25 -0800
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Japanese Spammer Here <invalid@invalid.net> - 2023-11-19 23:25 +0000
    Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2023-11-20 00:04 +0000
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2023-11-21 14:42 -0600
  Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2023-12-15 09:38 -0500
    Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 11:42 -0600
      Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> - 2023-12-15 18:02 +0000
        Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 12:39 -0600
          Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2023-12-15 19:00 +0000
            Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 14:00 -0600
              Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-15 21:00 +0000
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 16:23 -0600
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2023-12-15 22:43 +0000
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 16:50 -0600
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2023-12-16 00:03 +0000
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO tTh <tth@none.invalid> - 2023-12-16 01:26 +0100
                Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 16:39 -0800
            Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> - 2023-12-15 17:06 -0300
              Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-12-15 16:40 -0800
              Re: (comp.lang.c) More musings on the spam problem... PLO Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2023-12-16 12:52 +0100

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