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Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose

From Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.bugs.dist, linux.debian.policy
Subject Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose
Date 2017-08-16 20:50 +0200
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On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:30:23AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> As Policy Editor (a delegated position), based on my read of project
> consensus including in-person verification of that consensus at DebConf
> 17, I am formally declaring that I believe this change has consensus
> despite your opposition.  We will therefore include this change in the
> next release of Policy.

This is one of the reasons I do not attend DebConf anymore. We are an
online organization. Consultation should happen online. Metting are nice
but they should not be used to vet consensus and ignore absentees.

So I object to Adrian being overriden on that ground.

Now it seems to me this policy proposal is a way to acknowledge the
great work of the reproducible build project. As such it is probably
fine and they amply deserve praise and acknowledgement.

But as a technical document, it is lacking practical recommendation for
maintainers how to make sure their package build reproducibly and create
confusion on the goal by using the term 'reproducible build' when 
'robust build' is meant (which is a worthwile goal by itself, but a
different project nevertheless). 

So I am concerned we are putting the cart before the horse.

Cheers,
Another Policy Editor (a delegated position).
-- 
Bill. <ballombe@debian.org>

Imagine a large red swirl here.

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Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-12 20:30 +0200
  Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-08-12 21:00 +0200
  Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Ondrej Novy <novy@ondrej.org> - 2017-08-12 21:00 +0200
  Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 21:30 +0200
  Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 22:10 +0200
    Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 22:30 +0200
      Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-08-12 22:40 +0200
  Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Johannes Schauer <josch@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 22:50 +0200
    Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 23:10 +0200
      Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-13 00:40 +0200
        Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-08-13 01:20 +0200
          Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-13 14:30 +0200
        Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-08-13 15:40 +0200
        Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2017-08-13 17:00 +0200
        Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 20:10 +0200
          Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-08-15 22:10 +0200
        Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de> - 2017-08-16 17:40 +0200
          Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 18:40 +0200
            Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 20:30 +0200
              Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 20:40 +0200
            Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 20:50 +0200
              Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 21:20 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 23:50 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-17 00:10 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-08-21 16:30 +0200
              Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Don Armstrong <don@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 21:40 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: Oppose Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2017-08-17 00:00 +0200
  Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 20:00 +0200
    Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 21:00 +0200
      Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 21:20 +0200
        Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-08-15 22:00 +0200
          Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 23:20 +0200
            Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 18:40 +0200
        Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 22:10 +0200
          Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-15 22:20 +0200
          Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 23:10 +0200
            Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 23:40 +0200
            Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-16 01:10 +0200
              Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 07:40 +0200
            Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Mattia Rizzolo <mattia@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 12:30 +0200
              Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 13:30 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 13:50 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 17:10 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 17:50 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 18:20 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 18:40 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 18:50 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 20:30 +0200
          Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2017-08-15 23:40 +0200
            Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Ximin Luo <infinity0@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 13:00 +0200
            Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 18:40 +0200
              Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 20:00 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-16 20:00 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2017-08-17 02:50 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2017-08-20 21:30 +0200
                Bug#844431: Revised patch: seeking seconds Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2017-08-21 02:40 +0200
      Bug#872288: debian-policy: document .buildinfo files Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-08-15 21:50 +0200

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