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Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?

From Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net>
Newsgroups linux.debian.project
Subject Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules?
Date 2017-08-13 23:10 +0200
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On 8/13/17 1:05 PM, Dr. Bas Wijnen wrote:

> My purpose of this thread (which is a question asked elsewhere) is to find out
> if there is consensus about this issue.  If there isn't, I don't want to bother
> everyone with a mass bug report.  Which, as Russ pointed out, would be a pretty
> large operation.
>
> Also, I don't want to move lots of software to contrib.  I would much rather
> have it fixed by removing the support for the non-free services, or by having
> plugin systems that allow only the non-free-interfacing part to be in contrib.
> However, that is still a large operation, so I still do not want to do a mass
> bug filing unless there is consensus that it should be done.  So far, it
> doesn't seem like there is consensus at all.

Getting past all the obfuscatory count and counterpoint, there seem to 
be two clear questions on the table:

1.  Given a piece of FOSS client software, that has no purpose other 
than to interface with a proprietary back-end service (say a FOSS 
twitter GUI), should that be considered "free software" for the purposes 
of placement in main vs. contrib vs. non-free?  (Or alternatively, where 
should it reside?)

2.  Given a piece of FOSS client software that interfaces to, among 
other things, a proprietary back-end service (e.g., a multi-protocol 
chat interface that includes AIM and MS Messenger among the back-ends it 
supports), be placed in contrib or non-free, simply because its 
description mentions those services?

Personally, I don't really care, and could argue both points either 
way.  But they are clear policy questions that might be of interest to 
packagers.

Miles Fidelman


-- 
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.  .... Yogi Berra

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Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-05 02:10 +0200
  Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-08-05 15:50 +0200
    Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial  service "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <bas@wijnen.dtdns.net> - 2017-08-06 09:30 +0200
    Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-06 17:30 +0200
  Bug#856139: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-06 14:20 +0200
    Bug#856139: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2017-08-06 14:40 +0200
    Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-07 20:20 +0200
      Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-07 21:00 +0200
        Debian packages advertising non-free services (was: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service) Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 01:40 +0200
          Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 07:40 +0200
            Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2017-08-08 07:50 +0200
              Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 09:00 +0200
              Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 10:10 +0200
            Re: Debian packages advertising non-free services Ben Finney <bignose@debian.org> - 2017-08-08 08:20 +0200
      Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-08 05:50 +0200
        Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2017-08-11 14:10 +0200
          Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-08-11 17:00 +0200
          Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Faidon Liambotis <paravoid@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 00:00 +0200
            Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial  service Jonas Smedegaard <dr@jones.dk> - 2017-08-12 05:50 +0200
            Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 08:30 +0200
              Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 09:00 +0200
                Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 09:40 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 10:00 +0200
              Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-12 10:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 11:20 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 12:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 17:20 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-13 22:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2017-08-13 23:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 02:30 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 02:30 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 14:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-08-14 15:00 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? "Dr. Bas Wijnen" <wijnen@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 15:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 15:30 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Marc Haber <mh+debian-project@zugschlus.de> - 2017-08-14 15:30 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> - 2017-08-14 19:40 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Andrey Rahmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2017-08-14 19:50 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-12 12:10 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2017-08-12 16:00 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Christian Seiler <christian@iwakd.de> - 2017-08-12 16:20 +0200
                Re: Are online services also software for Debian's rules? Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> - 2017-08-12 16:50 +0200
                win32-loader (was: Re: Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises commercial service) Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 17:00 +0200
              Re: [pkg-go] Bug#856139: certspotter: long description advertises  commercial service Tobias Frost <tobi@debian.org> - 2017-08-12 17:40 +0200

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