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Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode

From	Volney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode
Date	2023-09-02 16:12 -0400
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On 9/1/2023 8:37 AM, Lou wrote:
> On Wednesday, 30 August 2023 at 22:24:05 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>> On 8/30/2023 3:14 PM, Lou wrote:
>>
>>> Screw your imaginary relativistic inertial coordinate nonsense. There is no such
>>> thing as an object on an inertial path. All objects in the universe rotate, spiral, revolve,
>>> accelerate, decelerate etc.
>>>
>> [...]
>>> Obviously you understand physics or this emission model I describe.
>>> Because it doesn’t matter if the sun moves relative to Betelgeuse or the Virgo
>>> Galaxy cluster. Light will always travel at constant c relative to the sun. So all
>>> one has to do is place the sun immobile in its own frame. Have light propagate
>>> away from it isotropically at constant speeds.
>> Since you claim there are no inertial coordinates, that means that this
>> frame you "place the sun immobile" in is not inertial, so it can
>> accelerate. Let's say this necessarily non-inertial frame, after
>> emitting light toward the observer, wiggles back and forth, does
>> loop-the-loops, figure 8's or whatever. Does the observer see the light
>> following the figure 8s so that it appears to come from the sun always,
>> or does it come from the place where the sun WAS when the light was emitted?
> 
> OK let’s look,at what we actually observe in deSitters binary star:
> Let’s focus on one star of the two. We see that the star wobbles around
> roughly in an *ellipse*.  I imagine it’s probably a bit more complex
> than that but an ellipse for sake of argument. The star light also
> is observed to * not pile up*.

Correct.

We can simplify things by looking at what happens at two points in the 
orbit. At one point, one star is on, say, the left side of the other, 
and is moving away from earth at a speed v. The instantaneous inertial 
source frame of the star is moving away from the earth at a speed v, 
because the star itself is moving away at speed v at that instant. 1/2 
of the orbital period P later, the star is on the right side of the 
other, but is now approaching earth at a speed v. The instantaneous 
inertial source frame of the star is now moving toward the earth at a 
speed v. Obviously, these frames are different, because the star has 
moved non-inertially (it's in orbit).

SR states light travels at c in all inertial frames at c, regardless of 
the motion of the source. If the star is a distance D away, the time the 
light reaches us will be D/c and D/c+P/2.

Now the cranks claim the light travels at c-v and c+v respectively, as 
seen on the earth. So the first light pulse will take time D/(c+v) to 
reach us, while the second takes a shorter time, D/(c-v). Earth 
observers will see the first light at time D/(c+v) and the second at 
time D/(c-v) + P/2.

DeSitter, being much smarter than the average crank, realized the second 
pulse is emitted later but would be moving faster than the first. Could 
they arrive at the same time on earth? That would mean solving the 
equation D/(c+v) = (D/(c-v) + P/2). You can do the algebra yourself, but 
the answer is yes, the faster pulse can catch up to the slower pulse 
when both reach earth.

Now, what would this mean? What would we earthlings see? We would see 
both lights at the same time. One red shifted, the other blue shifted. 
If we can resolve the stars we'd see TWO images of the star, once to the 
left of the other and once to the right of the other.

I won't try to figure out what would be seen from light emitted between 
the endpoints, but others have described it as a mess.

Now when looking at *real* binary stars, we see one going round and 
round the other, alternately becoming blue shifted and red shifted, but 
always one image of the orbiting star, and never both blue shifted and 
red shifted at the same time. Because we see that and not the "pile up" 
mess, DeSitter showed that light cannot be traveling at c+v and c-v from 
the binary stars, and this invalidates all theories which claim light 
travels at c+v and c-v.

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A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 02:50 -0700
  Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 03:46 -0700
  Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-27 06:31 -0700
    Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 07:21 -0700
      Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-27 11:26 -0700
        Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 19:01 -0700
          Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-28 05:15 -0700
            Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 12:04 -0700
              Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-29 02:02 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 07:19 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-29 11:32 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 11:59 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-29 12:54 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 16:56 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-30 06:52 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 08:00 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 08:51 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-30 12:01 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 12:17 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-30 13:15 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 16:07 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-01 06:08 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 06:46 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 19:35 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-30 06:13 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 06:48 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-30 06:57 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 07:50 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 08:47 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-30 11:49 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 11:58 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-30 12:14 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 12:22 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-30 13:26 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-08-30 17:24 -0400
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-30 22:12 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-01 05:37 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 06:56 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-01 12:42 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 15:49 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-02 02:30 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-02 05:21 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 08:21 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 09:22 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-02 11:34 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 14:37 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-02 15:45 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 16:56 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-02 18:31 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-09-02 18:56 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-03 02:57 -0700
                Crank Lou keeps on lying "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 06:40 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou keeps on lying Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-03 15:54 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou keeps on lying Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-03 17:03 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou keeps on lying "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 22:04 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou keeps on lying Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-04 05:45 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou keeps on lying "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 07:20 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 09:00 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-03 10:40 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-02 19:50 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-01 09:51 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-01 12:25 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-09-02 11:29 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-02 11:52 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-02 16:12 -0400
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-02 15:38 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-03 01:18 -0400
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-03 02:16 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-03 17:02 -0400
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-04 06:01 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 08:06 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-04 14:30 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-04 18:21 -0400
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 21:52 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Trenton Zhaba <nroz@ennetata.nt> - 2023-09-05 07:36 +0000
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 18:13 -0500
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Evangelista Tzaregradsky <lzes@itkdlavl.tt> - 2023-09-06 16:00 +0000
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 19:28 -0500
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Rod Finkel <eere@rfleffoo.ei> - 2023-09-08 10:07 +0000
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 18:08 -0500
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-05 06:38 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-05 12:25 -0400
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 09:35 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-06 05:52 -0700
                Crank Lou perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-09-06 09:04 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou perseveres Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-07 05:13 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 07:58 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou perseveres Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 08:26 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou perseveres nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-09-07 20:32 +0200
                Re: Crank Lou perseveres Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-08 05:38 -0700
                Re: Crank Lou perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-09-08 06:47 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-06 12:36 -0400
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Weston Belogorsky <yooe@ewtgsnto.or> - 2023-09-06 16:45 +0000
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-07 05:21 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-09-07 22:38 -0400
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-08 09:32 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-07 05:27 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-04 19:41 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-05 06:31 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Modever Bill <davos2329@gmail.com> - 2023-09-05 11:54 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Hagan Prigara <aina@hharaian.gi> - 2023-09-03 10:28 +0000
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2023-08-31 11:01 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-01 06:03 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-01 06:32 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Mode Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-09-01 12:36 -0700
              Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-29 05:53 -0700
                Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-29 06:21 -0700
        Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 23:36 -0700
          Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 23:42 -0700
          Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Lou <noelturntive@live.co.uk> - 2023-08-28 05:36 -0700
            Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 15:37 -0700
      Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2023-08-28 11:41 +0300
        Re: A Challenge Testing Lou's Mastery of the Ritz Ether Free Emission Model Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-08-28 01:45 -0700

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