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On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:25 AM, Richard Zimmerman <
rzimmerman@riverbendhose.com> wrote:

>
> I apologize about the rant but we need to put the blame where it belongs.
> Today's web programmers that don't crap about programming and their
> employers who don't do due diligence in TESTING, Quality Control and
> reliability of the product (Website) they create.
> This is coming from a programmer who programmed on a lot of different
> platforms over the years (1979-present)
> All I'm saying is 'in the day' computers costed money and you learned how
> to get the most out of them and do it reliably.


And today they fundamentally cost nothing in comparative terms, so software
is "throw-away". Hence your rant (your term, not mine ;-)


> To me OOP (Object oriented programming) meant chain loading basic programs
> or patching in and deleting out basic lines of code on the fly for the
> options the user selected.
>

Your instincts are correct, but the actual cause is economic, there are no
aesthetic considerations here. As your examples show
(nothing personal... ;-), the OOP "advances" took place in a crippled
context, hence their ineffectiveness.


> Last note, WHY do we have to keep reinventing the wheel (i.e. the next big
> great language). There are a lot of GOOD languages out there already.
> Companies, programmers and end users waste too much time chasing the next
> big thing and the latest and greatest.
>

I think that stage is effectively over. The End of Programming Language
Invention. Except for certain purposes in which a currently-known
programming language is required (eg. kernel, heavy-duty UI), not many of
those issues matter today. There is today only One Human
Interface and One Hardware Interface: WWW; Intel. This condition will never
be repaired, only wholly replaced by means of total obsolescence. Like a
phaeton being replaced by a Model T. Something entirely new.


> Today's language: Excel 2010 for me. As a programmer I haven't been
> 'gettin it (spreadsheets)' for years until I decided to look at it as a
> language. Now, picking up on it fairly easily. :)
>

Just because Forth is no longer a going concern, doesn't imply you have to
debase yourself. Move to a truly
"higher-level language", say Erlang or something like that. Stay out of the
gutter. It's your soul, dude.....
:-)


> Regards and have a blessed day,
>
> Richard
>
>

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