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Re: The new normal of logging

From Darac Marjal <mailinglist@darac.org.uk>
Newsgroups linux.debian.user
Subject Re: The new normal of logging
Date 2017-10-27 11:40 +0200
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On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 02:22:35PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>   On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <[1]J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>     Roberto C. Sánchez:
>
>       Is this the new normal, for things to get captured in some systemd log [...]?
>
>     * [2]https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/294206/5132 Yes.
>
>   Thanks for that. And quoting that article....
>   " And there's also systemd, that is slowly phagocytosing the UNIX part of Linux...."
>   :-D

In my opinion, most of the bad press that systemd gets is down to its 
implementation, rather than its purpose. Writing an init system that 
spawns shell scripts to start daemons is easy, but the shell scripts 
lead to all sorts of bad code. The declarative syntax of 
systemd/upstart/etc init systems is MUCH cleaner.

Similarly, writing the syslog to a plain text file is easy, but it makes 
parsing times difficult, it can lose some of the finer points of meaning 
and so on. A binary format is, really, nothing to be feared, so long as 
the format is as well defined as plain text (because, when you look at 
it, plain text IS binary, it's just an astoundingly well-agreed 
encoding).


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>   1. mailto:J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@ntlworld.com
>   2. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/294206/5132

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                Re: Why does resolv.conf keep changing? Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> - 2017-10-25 16:10 +0200
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                Re: [SOLVED] Re: Why does resolv.conf keep changing? Nicholas Geovanis <nickgeovanis@gmail.com> - 2017-10-26 16:30 +0200
                The new normal of logging Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@NTLWorld.COM> - 2017-10-26 21:10 +0200
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