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Re: Can a black hole move?

From	"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Can a black hole move?
Date	2023-06-29 19:22 -0700
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On 6/29/2023 6:38 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:23:23 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 6/29/2023 6:17 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 6:02:13 PM UTC-7, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>> On 6/29/2023 5:56 PM, whodat wrote:
>>>>> On 6/29/2023 7:52 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/29/2023 5:41 PM, whodat wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/29/2023 5:23 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/28/2023 11:53 PM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, 19 June 2023 at 06:10:49 UTC+2, JanPB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is is an antique argument, pre-Painlevé. Of course according
>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>> faraway coordinate clock the accreting matter slows down and
>>>>>>>>>> "freezes"
>>>>>>>>>> at the horizon. Why the revelation?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And with these "freezing" tales - can your
>>>>>>>>> "black hole" move?
>>>>>>>>> I mean - if accreting matter "slows down and
>>>>>>>>> "freezes"" according to faraway me - it
>>>>>>>>> practically doesn't change position
>>>>>>>>> according to faraway me. And, as it's
>>>>>>>>> always in the vincinity of BH, BH can't
>>>>>>>>> change the position as well...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A black hole can move.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bearing in mind that all motion is relative.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A black hole can move on its own, regardless of any observer.
>>>>>
>>>>> But relative to that observer, unless they are both moving
>>>>> together. But in a universe with nothing else in it, how would
>>>>> anyone know?
>>>>>
>>>> We can see and/or detect black holes spiraling around each other.
>>>
>>> That is not what we are seeing.
>>> Falling into a BH center is the end of space time.
>>> How can the end move?
>> We can observe black holes spiraling around each other, some of them
>> merge together...
> 
> They don't exist.

If you say so.


> If they did they would not spiral together. They would have been in stable orbits
> that have been for their life time.

They can most certainly merge together.

Thread

Can a black hole move? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-28 23:53 -0700
  Re: Can a black hole move? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-29 10:06 +0000
    Re: Can a black hole move? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 09:29 -0500
  Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 15:23 -0700
    Re: Can a black hole move? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 19:41 -0500
      Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 17:52 -0700
        Re: Can a black hole move? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-29 19:56 -0500
          Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 18:02 -0700
            Re: Can a black hole move? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 18:17 -0700
              Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 18:23 -0700
                Re: Can a black hole move? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 18:38 -0700
                Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 19:22 -0700
                Re: Can a black hole move? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 20:37 -0700
                Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 10:05 -0700
                Re: Can a black hole move? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 20:33 -0400
                Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 19:49 -0700
    Re: Can a black hole move? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-29 21:23 -0700
      Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 10:07 -0700
        Re: Can a black hole move? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 10:11 -0700
          Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 10:34 -0700
            Re: Can a black hole move? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 10:49 -0700
              Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 10:50 -0700
                Re: Can a black hole move? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 10:51 -0700
        Re: Can a black hole move? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 10:52 -0700
        Re: Can a black hole move? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-30 20:45 -0400
          Re: Can a black hole move? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-06-30 21:30 -0700

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