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Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.

From Volney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car.
Date 2023-06-24 11:23 -0400
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On 6/23/2023 1:51 PM, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 9:50:53 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-7, Laurence Clark Crossen wrote:
>>> The bullets seem to share the velocity of the police car only because a mathematical transformation has been applied.
>> Throw something in the moving police car and it shares the movement of the car and has its own.
>> Galilean relativity shows shared motion. Drop something while moving and it continues in that direction
>> as it falls...

> Both light and bullets behave as if they share the velocity of the source. Light requires a mathematical transformation so perhaps bullets do as well. How can a mathematical transformation do this?

They all follow the same transformation, w=(u+v)/(1+uv/c²). When both u 
and v are very small compared to c, the difference between this and the 
"obvious" w=u+v is also very small, usually too small to be measurable.

Remember, "obvious" in physics is not only not a proof, but often very 
misleading!

The speed combo formula has an interesting property if one of the 
velocities, say u, is c relative to the object moving at v. In this case 
the formula becomes w=(c+v)/(1+cv/c²) where v is the velocity of 
something emitting light at c relative to itself and u replaced by c. It 
simplifies to w=c. This is a fancy way of showing that light moves at c 
in all inertial frames regardless of the motion of the source (which is v).

For real life experiences, both u and v are very small compared to c, so 
uv/c² is very very small, so (1+uv/c²) is almost exactly 1. The formula 
simplifies to w=(u+v)/1 or the "obvious" w=u+v.

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Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-22 09:49 -0700
  Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-22 11:38 -0700
  Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 09:50 -0700
    Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:35 -0700
    Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 10:51 -0700
      Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-23 13:58 -0500
        Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 12:11 -0700
          Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-23 21:49 -0500
            Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 20:05 -0700
              Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 20:15 -0700
                Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 20:20 -0700
                Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 20:22 -0700
                Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 21:47 -0700
                Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-06-24 00:07 -0500
      Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-06-24 11:23 -0400
        Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-06-24 15:57 +0000
    Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. Laurence Clark Crossen <l.c.crossen@hotmail.com> - 2023-06-23 11:31 -0700
      Re: Bullets do not share the velocity of the police car. "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-06-23 18:55 -0700

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