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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.misc |
| Subject | Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? |
| Date | 2021-09-06 02:14 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u43g0ix3lu.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor> (permalink) |
| References | (10 earlier) <sgsg99$776$1@news1.tnib.de> <9badna8ebY4aca_8nZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@earthlink.com> <slrnsj7cac.nus.sc@scarpet42p.localdomain> <sh1vfr$nut$1@dont-email.me> <hcydnZYUt4CXyaj8nZ2dnUU7-I_NnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
On 06/09/2021 01.34, SixOverFive wrote:
> On 9/5/21 4:35 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
...
>> One may do a 5 minute hack to prove a principle and get some code
>> working, but *if* it is going to be replicated or maintained by others
>> it behoves one to rework it into whatever is expected by e.g. other
>> engineers, installation scripts and the like.
>>
>> On the other hand, if it is *not*, so what? Typically embedded systems
>> that are neither subject to maintenance or upgrade can so whatever
>> they like.
>>
>> Faced with lack of space in a 2K EPROM, I replaced all instances of
>> POP AX
>> POP BX
>> POP CX
>> POP DX
>> RET
>>
>> with
>> JMP STDEXIT
>>
>>
>> STDEXIT:
>> POP AX
>> POP BX
>> POP CX
>> POP DX
>> RET
>>
>> and gained the 64 bytes of PROM space I needed to include an extended
>> BIOS.
>
> So long as there aren't multiple threads going on you CAN
> just clean up in one spot. If the eeprom was 2k this was
> probably WAY before multithreading. The single-location
> thing might also be vulnerable to some race conditions.
> I'd worry if there were interrupt routines happening too.
>
>> I am sure those who are imbued with 'never use a goto' would be
>> horrified. But it worked, the customer got his extended bios without
>> having to change his bios and I got paid. And really, as we used to
>> say, in the end its all 'bits, in silicon.
>
> "GOTO" can be GREAT. They're not "elegant" and can indeed
> lead to SERIOUS spaghetti code, but sometimes they're the
> best, most economical, easiest to write solution. Unwrapping
> multi-nested whiles/fors/do loops in the 'elegant' fashion
> can actually get rather un-elegant.
> ,
> I always liked Pascal because it COULD be "elegant", and far
> more self-documenting than the crap 'C' some hotshots would
> write that was mostly punctuation characters that actually DID
> stuff but nobody - not even the author a month from then -
> could figure out HOW. Just did a little utility pgm with a
> GUI front-end for somebody last month and used Lazarus/FP
> because it's quick and easy and has the Pascal virtues, so
> Pascal is hardly some decades-past thing for me. But, some
> Pascals DO have a GOTO <label> in there, just in case :-)
Indeed, Pascal does have a "goto", and I read about it in Nicklaus Wirth
book no less.
>
> Remember a thing called a Psion Organizer ? I think they came
> out in the mid/late 80s. Looked like a thick pocket calculator
> and had a 2 or 4 line LCD text screen. Various plug-in
> cartridges could be had, including non-volatile memory.
> Had a ROM BASIC in them that could cover most anything including
> serial communications.
>
> Someone wanted me to write a pgm for them that handled
> fairly static traveled routes - like a mail carrier
> might do. Each stop was a little block and you had to
> fill in some questions. The "elegant" way THEN was to
> make very good use of GOTOs. I wrote the thing "ladder
> style" and you could push a function key to jump back
> a question, or the previous block or the next block.
> All GOTOs. In THAT case the GOTOs and structure made
> the whole pgm far easier to understand and quite compact.
> The route particulars were on a plug-in and, when there
> were any changes, staff would update the list and hand
> out new cartridges. Far more "sneaker-net" back then.
> I did rig it so you could sync over serial, but mostly
> they found it simpler to just swap cartridges.
>
> I recently found out that at least some workers were
> still using the system almost 15 years later ... I'd
> have never expected that. They had the devices, the pgm
> worked, so why spend more $$$ ?
Certainly, gotos have their place. Spaghetti code is something else.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
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Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2021-08-31 10:59 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:46 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:50 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-08-31 10:57 +0100
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Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2021-09-01 10:42 +0100
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2021-09-01 13:47 +0200
Re: Is Debian still good for GUI stuff in an over 12 yrs. old PC? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2021-09-04 18:09 +0000
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