Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support

From	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Newsgroups	linux.kernel
Subject	Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support
Date	2017-07-12 10:40 +0200
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On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 09:39:17AM +0530, Viresh Kumar wrote:
> Yeah, I saw your discussion with Peter on #linux-rt IRC and TBH I wasn't aware
> that we are going to do fast switching that way. Just trying to get
> understanding of that idea a bit..
> 
> So we will do fast switching from scheduler's point of view, i.e. we wouldn't
> schedule a kthread to change the frequency. But the real hardware still can't do
> that without sleeping, like if we have I2C somewhere in between. AFAIU, we will
> still have some kind of *software* bottom half to do that work, isn't it? And it
> wouldn't be that we have pushed some instructions to the hardware, which it can
> do a bit later.
> 
> For example, the regulator may be accessed via I2C and we need to program that
> before changing the clock. So, it will be done by some software code only.
> 
> And now I am wondering on why that would be any better than the kthread in
> schedutil. Sorry, I haven't understood the idea completely yet :(

So the problem with the thread is two-fold; one the one hand we like the
scheduler to directly set frequency, but then we need to schedule a task
to change the frequency, which will change the frequency and around we
go.

On the other hand, there's very nasty issues with PI. This thread would
have very high priority (otherwise the SCHED_DEADLINE stuff won't work)
but that then means this thread needs to boost the owner of the i2c
mutex. And that then creates a massive bandwidth accounting hole.

The advantage of using an interrupt driven state machine is that all
those issues go away.

But yes, whichever way around you turn things, its crap. But given the
hardware its the best we can do.

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[PATCH v2 00/10] arm, arm64: frequency- and cpu-invariant accounting support for task scheduler Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
  [PATCH v2 08/10] arm64: wire frequency-invariant accounting support up to the task scheduler Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 08/10] arm64: wire frequency-invariant accounting  support up to the task scheduler Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 12:50 +0200
  [PATCH v2 03/10] drivers base/arch_topology: frequency-invariant load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 03/10] drivers base/arch_topology: frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 12:50 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2 03/10] drivers base/arch_topology: frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-07 19:00 +0200
  [PATCH v2 05/10] arm: wire frequency-invariant accounting support up to the task scheduler Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 05/10] arm: wire frequency-invariant accounting  support up to the task scheduler Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 12:50 +0200
  [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 12:50 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-07-07 00:50 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-07 18:10 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org> - 2017-07-07 18:20 +0200
          Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-07 19:10 +0200
            Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-07-08 14:20 +0200
              Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-10 09:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-07-10 15:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-11 08:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-11 17:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com> - 2017-07-13 14:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-13 15:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com> - 2017-07-13 16:10 +0200
              Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-10 11:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-10 11:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-10 12:40 +0200
              Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-10 14:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-11 08:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-11 17:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-07-11 17:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-11 17:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-12 06:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 10:40 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-12 11:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-12 13:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant load-tracking support "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@rjwysocki.net> - 2017-07-13 01:30 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-13 10:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-13 10:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-13 13:20 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com> - 2017-07-13 16:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> - 2017-07-13 16:50 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com> - 2017-07-13 17:10 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com> - 2017-07-13 15:00 +0200
                Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com> - 2017-07-13 14:50 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2 02/10] cpufreq: provide data for frequency-invariant  load-tracking support Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-10 08:50 +0200
  [PATCH v2 04/10] arm: wire cpufreq input data for frequency-invariant accounting up to the arch Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 04/10] arm: wire cpufreq input data for  frequency-invariant accounting up to the arch Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 12:50 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2 04/10] arm: wire cpufreq input data for  frequency-invariant accounting up to the arch Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-10 17:20 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2 04/10] arm: wire cpufreq input data for  frequency-invariant accounting up to the arch Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-11 08:40 +0200
  [PATCH v2 09/10] arm64: wire cpu-invariant accounting support up to the task scheduler Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 09/10] arm64: wire cpu-invariant accounting support up  to the task scheduler Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 12:50 +0200
  [PATCH v2 06/10] arm: wire cpu-invariant accounting support up to the task scheduler Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 06/10] arm: wire cpu-invariant accounting support up  to the task scheduler Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 12:50 +0200
  [PATCH v2 01/10] drivers base/arch_topology: free cpumask cpus_to_visit Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 01/10] drivers base/arch_topology: free cpumask  cpus_to_visit Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 12:30 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2 01/10] drivers base/arch_topology: free cpumask  cpus_to_visit Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 13:00 +0200
        Re: [PATCH v2 01/10] drivers base/arch_topology: free cpumask  cpus_to_visit Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 13:20 +0200
          Re: [PATCH v2 01/10] drivers base/arch_topology: free cpumask  cpus_to_visit Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-07 18:00 +0200
  [PATCH v2 10/10] drivers base/arch_topology: inline cpu- and frequency-invariant accounting Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-06 12:00 +0200
    Re: [PATCH v2 10/10] drivers base/arch_topology: inline cpu- and  frequency-invariant accounting Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org> - 2017-07-06 13:00 +0200
      Re: [PATCH v2 10/10] drivers base/arch_topology: inline cpu- and  frequency-invariant accounting Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com> - 2017-07-10 17:20 +0200

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