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Re: having public irc logs?

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Mehdi Dogguy dijo [Sat, Apr 08, 2017 at 09:47:38AM +0200]:
> To be honest, I also wondered why IRC channels were not logged when I
> started contributing to Debian. Later, I understood that people used
> IRC to communicate like they would do in real life. As such, we will
> not try to record every conversation held between two contributors.

I'm surprised nobody has said so far something along the following
lines, which I feel to be quite obvious.

Our goals by archiving our communications via mailing lists is not
"just" to prove everything we do is done in public. A mailing list
message is usually a self-sustaining piece of information, even as a
part of a conversation. They are easy to situate, and our usual
practices (i.e. inline quoting, preserving threading, the way we
handle Cc and Reply-to, etc.) help make each bit of information
meaningful and indexable.

IRC is just a shouting room. OK, sometimes it's way quieter, but each
channel just a stream of messages that hold very little "state" - If
you try to reconstruct what was said in an IRC conversation, if
anything, you will have the destinatary of some lines (as we hold the
convention of starting a line with <nickname><colon>).

IRC is great for live communication, but is a very very lousy
referential or citational material. Of course, that's one of the main
drivers behind bots such as Meetbot, which organizes what is said
during a specific interval by adding topicality and salient points. Of
course, Meetbot logs are publicly accessible.

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having public irc logs? Gianfranco Costamagna <locutusofborg@debian.org> - 2017-04-06 10:50 +0200
  Re: having public irc logs? Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2017-04-06 12:00 +0200
  Re: having public irc logs? Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2017-04-06 18:10 +0200
    Re: having public irc logs? Gianfranco Costamagna <locutusofborg@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 10:00 +0200
      use matrix.org if you want logs (was: having public irc logs?) martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 10:10 +0200
      Re: having public irc logs? Lars Wirzenius <liw@liw.fi> - 2017-04-07 13:30 +0200
        Re: having public irc logs? Gianfranco Costamagna <locutusofborg@debian.org> - 2017-04-07 16:40 +0200
          Re: having public irc logs? Paul Wise <pabs@debian.org> - 2017-04-08 10:00 +0200
          Re: having public irc logs? Mehdi Dogguy <mehdi@dogguy.org> - 2017-04-08 10:00 +0200
  Re: having public irc logs? Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2017-04-06 21:30 +0200
  Re: having public irc logs? Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2017-04-08 08:00 +0200
    Re: having public irc logs? Gianfranco Costamagna <locutusofborg@debian.org> - 2017-04-08 12:20 +0200
      Re: having public irc logs? Chris Lamb <lamby@debian.org> - 2017-04-09 10:50 +0200
  Re: having public irc logs? Mehdi Dogguy <mehdi@dogguy.org> - 2017-04-08 09:50 +0200
    Re: having public irc logs? Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@debian.org> - 2017-04-09 07:20 +0200

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