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Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly)

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On 06/04/17 07:45, Ric Moore wrote privately to me with a question about 
how my previous remarks made sense.

Here's my public answer.

First, the dependency bill could be considerably more than 111kB, 
because while pavucontrol is itself only 111kB, it also requires the 
Pango font handling library, the Cairo drawing library, the GTK+ 
windowing library, the GLib utility library, the Canberra event sounds 
library, and the ATK accessibility interface library, none of which are 
dependencies of pulseaudio.

The average GUI user wouldn't be bothered by that, since they've 
probably got all of those libraries dragged in by application software, 
but not all use cases for pulseaudio require a GUI in the first place (I 
might be running it on my headless home media server), and some GUI 
users treat their GUI as just a way to have lots of xterms on screen at 
once.

Second, pulseaudio Depends: pulseaudio-utils, meaning that any Debian 
system with pulseaudio installed will have pacmd (an interactive 
terminal-oriented program for submitting commands to a pulseaudio 
server) and pactl (a non-interactive program for submitting commands to 
a pulseaudio server) available. These are inconvenient for your 
particular use case, but they are sufficient to make pulseaudio functional.

Thus, suggesting that "pulseaudio Suggests: pavucontrol" should become 
"pulseaudio Recommends: pavucontrol" would be entirely reasonable, since 
a very common set of pulseaudio use cases are vastly more convenient 
with pavucontrol installed, but suggesting that it should become 
"pulseaudio Depends: pavucontrol" would not.

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Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> - 2017-03-31 21:00 +0200
  Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> - 2017-04-01 11:50 +0200
    Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 07:10 +0200
      Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 10:10 +0200
        Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2017-04-02 19:20 +0200
          Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 07:30 +0200
            Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 09:30 +0200
              Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Frank <zuiderduin@gmx.com> - 2017-04-08 10:50 +0200
                Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Pierre Frenkiel <pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 13:20 +0200
                Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) kamaraju kusumanchi <raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> - 2017-04-18 04:40 +0200
                Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@debian.org> - 2017-04-18 16:40 +0200
            Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Dan Hitt <dan.hitt@gmail.com> - 2017-04-08 23:50 +0200
  Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Ric Moore <wayward4now@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 17:10 +0200
    Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2017-04-05 23:50 +0200
      Re: Sound problems (mpd, mpv mainly) Martin Read <zen75502@zen.co.uk> - 2017-04-06 12:20 +0200

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