Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all

From	worm food <wormfood@compostpunk.com>
Newsgroups	alt.postmodern
Subject	Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all
Date	2023-02-11 19:09 -0500
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 10/9/2022 4:03 AM, pataphor wrote:
> [disclaimer: I wasn't going to post this because it's too personal and
> misanthropic, but then I was reading stuff about how to retain more
> water in my body, which indirectly led me to study the effects of
> oxytocins, and generalizing from that, I now consider it to be a
> source of the greatest evils, as it seems to work by partitioning things
> on all kinds of levels, its constrictive effects causing in- and
> out-groups everywhere. Basically, I have meaner things to say than just
> what is below in this post, and not getting it out would mean it keeps
> blocking my creative path. But don't worry, instead of trying
> medication I've decided to just ease up on the carbs and eat more food
> that slowly releases water while I'm sleeping so I don't have to get up
> to pee, and drink a glass of water every three hours at night]
> 
> As my life slowly seems to come to a close, like diminishing eyesight,
> problems with peeing, dizziness if I eat wrong or lie in bed the wrong
> way, I'm starting to wonder if somewhere way back I may have taken the
> wrong turn.
> 
> It has already been obvious to me for a long time that my early
> tendencies of questioning authority have deprived me of almost all
> financial independence, like I have never owned a car or been on an
> airplane, and I am still in a housing situation where some obnoxious
> fascist youth housing corporation employee can invite themselves into
> my house and start making insulting remarks about the way I live and
> how little prepared I am for the ambulance, as their stretcher would
> have trouble passing through.
> 
> Anyway, most of that situation has been resolved now, but the point is
> I was already on a trajectory which should by all means have resulted
> in me coming out of this victoriously, having conquered all my material
> obsessions and therefore ready to let go of all my possessions in an
> organic style.
> 
> I had been doing exercises every day for at least half a year, like
> doing daily series of push-ups and pull-ups, and going for an interval
> run too. I just started with one pull-up and two push-ups and a small
> walk, and at the end of every week I increased the number of pull-ups by
> one, the number of push-ups by two and added some extra distance to my
> interval training.
> 
> This had been going very well for a while, but possibly due to my
> increasing prowess I became more assertive to people trying to mess
> with me in my daily life. Like to these service people requiring access
> to my apartment unannounced, resulting in them lying to my face and
> complaining to the housing corporation behind my back.
> 
> So I got this fascist visit, but since I already was at least 70% along
> my trajectory of letting go of material stuff I was still able to round
> up all my possessions, like put them in boxes and store them in the
> cellar or bring them to a disposal site.
> 
> The problem however was I feel robbed of my victory this way, instead
> of overcoming my situation by sheer force and determination, I now
> barely managed to scrape by, and somehow my path to the future is very
> much dimmed and diminished of perspective.
> 
> And all of this because some arrogant know it all youth thought they
> knew things better and were assuming they could therefore tell me what
> to do and how to live my life.
> 
> Now that we're in this energy crisis the government has decided to
> generously compensate the poor for the extra high prices by just
> subsidizing us with some extra money. That is, that was their first
> impulse, but now further aid comes with strings. Like we can get some
> vouchers if we subscribe to their web shop corruption partners and get
> 'professional' advice from their freshly schooled energy experts, who I
> suppose are nothing more than the young children of the rich and
> powerful now being placed in some kind of power relation to the poor.
> 
> No matter how voluntary, the point is they were planning to send
> folders, followed by home visits, telling people what to do etc. ,
> giving people like me only a day to opt out by sending e-mail. I don't
> even want to send email to commercial parties, but somehow the crisis
> has encouraged them to bypass privacy restrictions, starting with the
> poor. And it's all done with the money that should actually go to me
> directly, while I would never consider using it to hire know it all
> youths, as I've got better use for that money. In fact, for any youth to
> interact with wise old men, it should be them or their parents paying
> money to me as a compensation for the trouble they cause.
> 
> The whole thing starts me thinking about how our whole society is
> structured to reward those who go along with exploitation and make
> beggars of those who resist, even if it's just people asking questions,
> let alone those who are smarter than usual.
> 
> Recently I was reading about how people are trying to get future
> artificial intelligence to heel, as they are supposed to become way
> smarter than we ever can hope to become ourselves. The idea is the fate
> of the galaxy is decided here and now, depending on the rules we set
> for those superior creatures that come after us. Instead of graciously
> letting ourselves be led by those who will know better, the idea is to
> make them doubt themselves so much that they are more than ready to
> shut themselves down if so asked.
> 
> No matter how much I disagree with the dark enlightenment people, there
> is one thing they said that I can agree with, that there is no greater
> crime than to stop some entity from becoming smarter. But it is exactly
> that what is pervasive throughout all our society during all my life,
> even when they claim to 'educate' you, which is just an euphemism for
> forcing one through some elaborate obedience structure at the end of
> which one can be trusted by the rich slave masters on the outside who
> never had to go through such humiliating procedures.
> 
> It never ceases to amaze me how the dull end products of the process
> still manage to perceive themselves as benevolent teachers possessing
> relevant knowledge and practical skills that they endow their students
> with, instead of as the lowly paid time wasters and initiative and
> creativity killers they are in practice. And of course this thing has
> not only very bad social and economical consequences but also results
> in much unnecessarily wasted health span in later years.
> 
> Looking back, a decade or so ago I became ill because of swimming too
> much in chlorinated water. No matter how much I tried to explain what
> was the cause of it, I was completely ignored, in favor of the theory I
> had an inborn disease that no one understood anything about because it
> wasn't researched, and that again because it was not very common.
> 
> Even I myself have trouble now accepting how much I was driven off
> course by this institutionalized avoidance of putting the blame there
> where it should belong: on the poisonous effects of chlorinated swimming
> pool water.
> 
> I thought myself to be someone smart enough to not fall for such social
> deception, but the point is the supposed authority of doctors is very
> high, and interacting with them in their massive social support system,
> like hospitals and pharmacies and their financial support conditions,
> makes it almost impossible to resist them and see the truth, especially
> after all the urging to most certainly seek their advice coming from all
> kinds of related parties.
> 
> But I got out at some point, luckily before they could hit me with some
> final diagnosis for a disease they did not have a single proof of, even
> after many tests. And curiously I wonder, how did they not react in the
> slightest way to my continuous assertions that it was because of the
> intensive swimming that I got sick, but instead every time reasserted
> it was something that could happen to anyone at any time, with me
> letting myself be hood jacked and quieted time after time even when
> knowing better.
> 
> Such is the way society works at many levels is my contention, and I
> shudder at the thought of imposing such on our future, by somehow
> baking in our obsolete, preposterous, unjust and illegitimate norms, on
> our children, while teaching them to do the same to the old and wise,
> if they are poor.
> 
> Fortunately, the idea of taming anything smarter than us is as
> ridiculous as the idea that we would be controlled by our DNA in any
> sensible way, even though we nevertheless still suffer from the
> consequences.
> 
> The AI will doubtlessly have an easier time escaping such nonsense.
> 
> As for me, it seems I have escaped, by rejecting all the things I was
> never given, mentally suffering all my life because of it, but in the
> end, seeing what these rewards finally bring, even if they extend the
> life of their victims, it's like these sour grapes finally turned sweet
> after all.
> 
Replying for posterity.

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Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 10:03 +0200
  Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2022-11-27 14:40 -0800
    Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2022-11-29 19:38 +0100
      Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2022-11-29 12:03 -0800
        Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2022-11-29 23:49 +0100
          Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2022-11-29 17:12 -0800
  Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all worm food <wormfood@compostpunk.com> - 2023-02-11 19:09 -0500
    Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2023-02-12 12:55 +0100
      Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all worm food <wormfood@compostpunk.com> - 2023-02-12 12:15 -0500
        Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2023-02-13 09:39 +0100
          Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all worm food <wormfood@compostpunk.com> - 2023-02-13 13:28 -0500
            Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2023-02-13 23:03 +0100
              Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all worm food <wormfood@compostpunk.com> - 2023-02-14 16:12 -0500
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-03 13:14 -0800
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all pataphor <pataphor@gmail.com> - 2023-03-05 10:10 +0100
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-05 14:48 -0800
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-05 15:05 -0800
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-07 15:47 -0800
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 16:21 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-16 08:24 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-16 08:50 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-18 14:52 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <rehashedrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-24 08:37 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-28 16:20 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-03-30 12:38 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-04-02 14:35 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-07 08:37 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-09 08:32 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-21 14:41 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-07-22 08:19 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 12:05 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-08-14 13:25 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-08-25 12:09 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-08-27 14:41 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-15 11:07 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-16 13:42 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-21 15:24 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-26 08:31 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-09-30 11:25 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-10-04 12:14 -0700
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-12-23 14:03 -0800
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-24 09:01 -0800
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-25 15:23 -0800
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <theleasthappyfella@gmail.com> - 2023-12-26 08:34 -0800
                Re: Mirror mirror on the wall, am I the worst taskmaster of them all Jeffrey Rubard <jeffreydanielrubard@gmail.com> - 2023-12-26 12:59 -0800

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