Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation

From	Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.maint.kde
Subject	Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation
Date	2017-03-30 19:30 +0200
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On 03/30/2017 08:37 AM, fradev wrote:
> If someone is still interested in the topic, here it is the list of
> dependencies required by the meta-package *kde-standard* (a dependency of
> *task-kde-desktop*) with my suggestions on the right.
>
> kde-standard
>   Depends: akregator                    --> change to: Suggests
>   Depends: ark
>   Depends: dragonplayer                 --> substitute with: vlc
>   Depends: gwenview
>   Depends: juk                          --> change to: Suggests
>   Depends: kaddressbook                 --> change to: Suggests
>   Depends: kate                         --> change to: Suggests
>   Depends: kcalc
>   Depends: kde-plasma-desktop
>   Depends: khelpcenter
>   Depends: kmail                        --> change to: Suggests
>   Depends: knotes                       --> change to: Suggests
>   Depends: kopete                       --> change to: Suggests
>   Depends: korganizer                   --> change to: Suggests
>   Depends: kde-spectacle
>   Depends: kwalletmanager
>   Depends: okular
>   Depends: plasma-dataengines-addons
>   Depends: plasma-pa
>   Depends: plasma-runners-addons
>   Depends: plasma-wallpapers-addons
>   Depends: plasma-widgets-addons
>   Depends: polkit-kde-agent-1
>   Depends: sweeper                      --> change to: Suggests
>   Breaks: <kde-minimal>
>   Recommends: konq-plugins              --> REMOVE
>   Recommends: plasma-nm                 --> change to: Depends
>   Suggests: <kde-l10n>
>   Suggests: skanlite

> Comments and suggestions are welcome. I'm planning to submit a bug report (as
> a wishlist item) in the next days to see if the issue can be discussed with
> the maintainers and if something can be done in time for the release of
> Stretch.
>
> Francesco

Hi,

kde-standard installs more than 130 packages that I do not have on any 
of my more than 30 installed kde-plasma-desktop's, it's something I will 
not install for anybody, kmail along makes no sense, to me it should be 
a stand-along application including it's wizards without pulling in 
everything PIM.  So to me it's not a usable mail client unless someone 
wants all of PIM.  Another thing, on installing kmail it will ask where 
you want your folders. WHY?  Why don't it have defaults and then if the 
user wants to move the stuff let them.  To me KDE PIM is a big mess and 
always has been, but I never was an evolution user either.

I won't use dolphin unless I'm forced to use it and konq-plugins is a 
needed package for konqueror.

No auto-updating for me and sweeper over bleachbit is a haha.

I'm no longer a business person, I just make text notes and copy to text 
a new recipe once in a while. I haven't needed office in a longtime, but 
when office is needed I think open software can't be beat, but is it 
needed on every computer? It's fine for kde-standard.

When I started this, I wanted a small list of packages that will work 
when installed, kde-connect, bluetooth, wireless.  I go to linux 
conference and deb.org person after deb.org person can not configure 
wireless and these things just need to work.

KDE does somethings I think are totally WTF, like making oxygen-cursor 
mandatory, no matter how many different colors it has, it still has 
balls. I guess every version has to have a WTF or it would not be KDE.

I hope you're having a great day!

regards,
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

Debian Stretch - Plasma 5.8.6 - EXT4 at sda11
Registered Linux User #380263

Thread

Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 21:40 +0100
  Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-17 11:10 +0100
    Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 06:30 +0100
      Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 14:50 +0100
        Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 16:20 +0100
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Thom Castermans <thom.castermans@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 17:20 +0100
            Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-20 19:40 +0100
      Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-25 19:10 +0100
        Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-30 18:00 +0200
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 19:30 +0200
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 01:50 +0200
            Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-31 12:40 +0200
              Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Maximiliano Curia <maxy@debian.org> - 2017-03-31 13:40 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Diederik de Haas <didi.debian@cknow.org> - 2017-03-31 17:40 +0200
                Bug#840844: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Maximiliano Curia <maxy@gnuservers.com.ar> - 2017-03-31 18:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Diederik de Haas <didi.debian@cknow.org> - 2017-03-31 19:10 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 18:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-01 12:40 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-04-02 09:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-04-02 14:40 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-05 08:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-05 08:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-05 08:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 13:30 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-05 15:30 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-04-05 20:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-06 00:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 01:30 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Nick <nick@steelyglint.org> - 2017-04-16 00:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-04-18 22:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Nick <nick@steelyglint.org> - 2017-04-23 17:00 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-04-23 20:00 +0200
        Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-22 13:30 +0200
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano@tiscali.it> - 2017-04-22 14:00 +0200
            Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-22 16:40 +0200
              Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-05-07 18:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2017-05-14 11:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-05-14 12:40 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Sandro Knauß <bugs@sandroknauss.de> - 2017-05-15 22:30 +0200
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-05-18 19:50 +0200
            Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 02:50 +0200
  Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 16:00 +0100
    Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano@tiscali.it> - 2017-03-17 18:00 +0100

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