Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation

From	Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.maint.kde
Subject	Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation
Date	2017-03-15 21:40 +0100
Message-ID	<tlnS9-4ri-11@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink)
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On 03/15/2017 11:20 AM, fradev wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> The default KDE/Plasma 5 installation in Stretch, via task-kde-desktop, in my
> opinion doesn't provide the best user experience because of the many
> applications installed by default.
>
> While the experience with the Plasma desktop is pretty good, the same
> cannot be said for some KDE applications. To improve the situation, at
> least for me, in different occasions I had to:
>
> - manually install only the required KDE applications in a minimal Debian
> setup;
> - or manually remove all the unwanted KDE applications in the default KDE
> installation (and break meta-packages).
>
> The main issue is that, in some cases, the applications required recursively
> by the package task-kde-desktop are obsolete, bugged and/or are useless
> redundancies. I'll make some examples at the end of this e-mail to better
> explain my point of view.
>
> I don't know if there are other users considering this as a usability issue
> but, in case, and if it is still possible to do something given the freeze of
> Stretch, it could be solved by changing the applications listed as
> dependencies and recommended by the meta-packages used in the default KDE
> installation in Stretch.
>
> I'm working just for myself on a list of packages that can be omitted or
> substituted and if someone is interested I can continue in this discussion.
>
> Regards
> Francesco
>
>
> EXAMPLES
> ========
>
> Let's start with Konqueror, installed by default in the case discussed above.
> Despite its history and how interesting it is, we all know that Konqueror
> nowadays lacks developer manpower. Its web engines are obsolete and probably
> not suitable anymore for a safe web surfing. Surely many of us will not suggest
> its usage, especially to newcomers. Firefox and Chromium are far superior web
> browsers and, besides, Firefox is recommended by task-kde-desktop and it is
> installed in the default KDE installation.
>
> Konqueror can also be used as a file manager but we already have Dolphin, that
> I'm sure is considered the de facto file manager in the Plasma desktop,
> installed along with it. Konqueror therefore is pretty much useless and
> redundant in a standard installation. If it so, why install it by default?
>
> Same story with some of the KDEPIM applications installed by
> task-kde-desktop/kde-standard. I'm a Kmail user but like many others I know
> that Kmail can be a difficult beast to handle, it has its bugs, akonadi could be
> a pain sometimes, and it lacks developer manpower too (and maybe it will be
> replaced by Kube in the future).
>
> Despite I'm using Kmail I will probably suggest to other users and newcomers
> to try Icedove/Thunderbird instead, or simply use their e-mail accounts via
> web browser if it is too much for them. In my opinion Kmail and friends should
> not be installed by default.
>
> There are other cases like that or minor redundancies, such as Kate and Kwrite
> installed altogether. Why install them both?

I agree that konqueror is not needee as a web browser but it's great as 
a file manager and I think that dolphin is trying to do to much and is 
not neeed, konq was here first and is the KDE mascot on top of that.

As for the rest of your post I agree and what we need is a 
"debian-plasma-desktop meta package" where it's tested and working 
including kconnect, wireless, bluetooth, vlc, pulse, etc. and keep pim 
to the minimal so the kitchen sink is not added but hardware is working 
the way it should be.  Take a look at "neon-plasma-desktop meta package" 
and you will see what I'm talking about.  And I was just thinking about 
this yesterday.
-- 
Jimmy Johnson

KDE Neon - Plasma 5.9.3 - EXT4 at sda7
Registered Linux User #380263

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Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 21:40 +0100
  Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-17 11:10 +0100
    Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 06:30 +0100
      Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-03-20 14:50 +0100
        Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 16:20 +0100
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Thom Castermans <thom.castermans@gmail.com> - 2017-03-20 17:20 +0100
            Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-20 19:40 +0100
      Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-25 19:10 +0100
        Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-30 18:00 +0200
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-03-30 19:30 +0200
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 01:50 +0200
            Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-03-31 12:40 +0200
              Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Maximiliano Curia <maxy@debian.org> - 2017-03-31 13:40 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Diederik de Haas <didi.debian@cknow.org> - 2017-03-31 17:40 +0200
                Bug#840844: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Maximiliano Curia <maxy@gnuservers.com.ar> - 2017-03-31 18:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Diederik de Haas <didi.debian@cknow.org> - 2017-03-31 19:10 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-03-31 18:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-01 12:40 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-04-02 09:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation rhkramer@gmail.com - 2017-04-02 14:40 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-05 08:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-05 08:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-05 08:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-04-05 13:30 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-05 15:30 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-04-05 20:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-06 00:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-04-06 01:30 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Nick <nick@steelyglint.org> - 2017-04-16 00:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-04-18 22:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Nick <nick@steelyglint.org> - 2017-04-23 17:00 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-04-23 20:00 +0200
        Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-22 13:30 +0200
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano@tiscali.it> - 2017-04-22 14:00 +0200
            Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-04-22 16:40 +0200
              Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-05-07 18:50 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Martin Steigerwald <martin@lichtvoll.de> - 2017-05-14 11:20 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation fradev <fradevpub@inventati.org> - 2017-05-14 12:40 +0200
                Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Sandro Knauß <bugs@sandroknauss.de> - 2017-05-15 22:30 +0200
          Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Shawn Sörbom <shawn@sorbom.com> - 2017-05-18 19:50 +0200
            Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Jimmy Johnson <field.engineer@gmail.com> - 2017-05-19 02:50 +0200
  Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation inkbottle <inkbottle007@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 16:00 +0100
    Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano@tiscali.it> - 2017-03-17 18:00 +0100

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